What I saw is a young woman crying her ass off. I’ve seen that too many times with my spoiled nieces. Crying one’s ass off just isn’t an excuse. I get it. She was terrified. Yeah, so? That’s a valid excuse? Being terrified because no one’s ever actually told you to comply before isn’t the worst thing that can happen to a young person.
I was just saying that pigs should be sprayed with Off so they don’t get infected by bugs. I don’t want to eat pork that’s been contaminated with insects. Hence, Off.
I presume you strike them in the face and pepper spray them. 
Striking them in the face? No. Never. How dare you?
Pepper spraying them? Yes! Often!
But only in my dreams, alas. 
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No, it is not in any police officer’s purpose to be injured or die to prevent an unruly subject from being hurt. It is the cop’s purpose to subdue that disorderly subject before someone else, the officer included, becomes hurt. Keep the peace and all that.
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Yes, debating “Tools to reasonably prevent it” would be quite interesting. I think I would enjoy that thread.
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3) I may have given the wrong impression on my line of work. I am not, nor have I ever been, an officer of the law. I currently work private security and am studying toward a Masters in Criminal Justice Policy and Management. So technically, I’m a rent-a-cop. Unlike most however, I fully understand and accept the mockery that this entails.
In any emergency service
Rule #1 Survive your shift.
Rule #2 Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Rule #3 Save Opal, save the world.
How dare you for a second confuse the bravery of those who DO step out into the line of fire for an obligation to do so. Dozens of police officers, firefighters, paramedics, EMT’s, and any number of their support staff end up in life and death situations every day.
But they are there to get dead instead of you. Do you realize that at least in my experience, firefighters and police officers are taught if you cannot get someone and yourself out of a dangerous situation get yourself out. Getting dead trying to rescue someone is a violation of rule #1 and #2. Now you have a cop/firefighter who needs rescuing, requiring additional emergency resources.
Good police officers and firefighters take years to train to full potential, but thats ok, they are just pawns in an unfortunate duel between the forces that kill us and the fortunes that dont. Like it or not, I would consider the life of a police officer worth more than yours with such a belief. That cop will go on to help hundreds if not thousands of people during the rest of their career. Those people will be experiencing some of the worst moments in their lives, and these are the people who will step up to help.
Sadly, most of them would, because of who they are, would probably take a bullet for you. Even if you just told them that was all you considered them was bullet traps to spare your tender sensibilities the white hot sensation of a jacketed hollow point entering your chest cavity.
But hey, thats what they are for :rolleyes:
So if you ever find yourself the victim of the forces of fate, remember, they will respond. They will help. They will choose to put themselves between you and those who would wish you harm, every time. Not because they are required to, but because they do believe that your life has value and you deserve to keep your life.
A hard human bite to the wrist/lower arm could easily open the radial and or ulnar arteries resulting in life threatening loss of blood without immediate first aid. If so would you consider a bite of that type simple resisting arrest or an assault with the potential for serious injury.
In addition, that was a gentle takedown. The couple little hood bounces in there are lovetaps compared to a couple of the arrest situations I have been involved in. You would be amazed what a freaked out teenager can do to an adult if you let them. Pain compliance techniques were far more quickly brought to bear when we had to arrest/forcibly detain people like that, then again we didn’t have taser/gun options available. Arrest situations on people like that are not effected by calm rational discussion, they are not in a rational state of mind. These arrests are performed by overwhelming a suspects ability to resist. This unfortunately involves hurting/mildly injuring people who are willing to resist so strenuously.
Just what do you propose that he ‘cuff her off to’? Modern police cruisers don’t have stick-out door handles; they’re flush with the body of the car.
I think it’s pertinent to point out that this wasn’t a case of “cop sees teen out at nite past curfew”; the officer was responding to a call from dispatch to investigate a “supicious couple”. Would people feel better if he had disregarded a dispatch? I think not. Do you think that officers have the luxury of ignoring calls from dispatch? I hope not.
Consider this: what if she had been a victim of domestic dispute … and was traveling through the neighborhood with her bag of clothes … in that case I think folks would be positive about the officer’s coming to the scene … because he’d be coming to her aid.
I think she responded stupidly. The officer, being human, almost lost his cool after being bitten but recovered and did the only thing he could do. If someone bit me I would lash out in response instinctively. She put herself in harm’s way by being confrontational.
Per Drachillix’s post, this is a problem more and more with emergency responders. That’s a subject for a different thread.
I think we ought to avoid thinking of her as “just a kid” because of her age. Anyone who went to high school (especially if you played contact sports) knows that a 15 year old can be one mean, ornery, vicious sonofabitch, and the girls are just as bad. I witnessed some absolutely hellacious catfights between 15 year old girls at my high school cafeteria, which had to be broken up by armed security guards. (We had those at my school - probably overkill, but it’s better to have them and not need them to need them and not have them, I guess.) Anyway, a 15 year old girl, especially one who’s had a rough life, can be a hell of a fighter and do some serious damage.
Ho hum.
Drama does not make a good argument.
I had more in mind a Sheriff’s Deputy who responded to a domestic dispute a few years ago in this County. When the couple attacked him, he field stripped his weapon so they couldn’t take it away and hurt anyone while they beat the shit out of him. I think that’s a good policeman.
What academy did you attend?
I think it best that you go play with those idiots instead of dragging your race baiting here. You and carnivorous plant disgust me.
I am crushed.
I don’t see it as a “race card” pr as “race baiting” but as a possible explanation for her behavior. I do terms like “race baiting” as an effort to negate my argument by name calling rather than debate.
Police officers are disposable and should die rather than let anybody else be hurt? I hear these strange ideas voiced every so often, but they just don’t compute.
Certainly an extreme example. Please consider post 110.
Bullshit. You got a cite for this? I’m having a hard time imagining anyone being able to field strip a pistol while not one but TWO people attacked him and “beat the shit out of him.”
No that’s a fucking stupid policeman who cost his county in unnecessary medical bills and time off, if what you say is true. Noble, perhaps, but a little pepper spray would have stopped that nonsense with no harm done and less pain, suffering and tax-payer money.
Here’s the what-if game again: What if someone had been raping babies across town and your Officer Hero couldn’t take the call because he was eating pavement at this domestic dispute that could have been resolved in 10 minutes?
The girl was unharmed and the cop subdued her. Where’s the problem?
You people are making way too much of a big deal out of her claims of innocence. That’s what every person who resists arrest says, and it’s rarely true. My most recent arrest was a perfect example of this. My partner and I saw a man stuff porn magazines down his pants and walk out of a 7-11. We arrested, he resisted, he constantly repeated ‘I’m not resisting! I’m going back inside to pay for them! I don’t know how they got there!’ and other bullshit. My partner took him to the ground with a similar hold to the one the officer used in the video, and would have struggled for a much longer time had I not been there to help subdue the man.
Unfortunately for this officer, he was arresting a 15 year old girl and not a 44 year old crackhead so he had to execute the arrest from a standing position. Imagine how it would look to the peanut gallery if he took her to the ground to safely restrain her? Hell, even when we arrested the crackhead we had a bunch of idiots insisting ‘That’s assault, they can’t do that.’ But we got him down without injuring anybody, and especially without injuring ourselves. This officer, too concerned over cries of ‘police brutality’ to execute a safer arrest procedure, got injured as a result and had to escalate the use of force, but when she bit him, (and he has the marks to prove it), he had every right to spray her to ensure his own safety.
I hope she gets nailed with assault of an officer and resisting arrest, in addition to whatever crime she was originally arrested for.
I agree with this. People seem to be saying that the cop should have been even more gentle and patient than he already was. Why? What’s so terrible about the fact that this girl suffered some pain and discomfort?
I believe she has been charged with both of these things.
I agree. If she wasn’t doing anything wrong that probably would have been cleared up at the station.
The fact that the officer tried to reason with her and warned her a least two times, “please don’t resist I don’t want to hurt you” tells me he was a professional doing his job correctly.
The guy arrested at my store a few days ago plead innocence but it turns out he had several outstanding warrants. What a surprise.
It’s unfortunate this girl panicked and reacted the way she did but officers must do their job. Suggestions for calling for a female officer are ludicrous. Waiting for backup unnecessary. He punched her out of reflex when she bit his bare wrist. That’s assault on an officer by any standard and she shouldn’t get a pass because she’s 15 and small. How much should he bleed before he can justify defending himself?
I was talking to a guy at work who hung out with some gangs a few years ago.He’s in a halfway house trying to get his act together. He smiled when I told him about the incident and said plenty of perps overreact on purpose hoping that the officer will make a mistake and do something that may benefit them.
I’ll bet you’ve experienced this.
As unlikely as it sounds I don’t find it impossible. They may have surprised him with violence and then been kicking and hitting him while he was down. Perhaps they made an attempt for his gun and he disabled it rather than risk losing it to them.
They’re lucky he didn’t just shoot them instead.