Screw This Permanent Record Bull

This is going to be a bit disjointed, but I hope I’ll make it worth your while if you take the time to read things all the way through.

Let me begin by stating that I have a number of criticisms for how education is done in the US, for teachers unions, and school administrations - based in part on some truly awful experiences in schools. In spite of all that I think that teaching is a vital, necessary, and laudable position that should be respected and valued.

It just seems to me that teaching is so often hemmed in by such unreasonable expectations that it’s almost insane to consider getting into the field at this time. Teachers (and especially female teachers) seem to be getting held to standards of conduct that are completely out-of-whack compared to the normal standards most of the rest of expect to be held to.

Withteachers getting fired for having pictures showing them consuming beer and wine while on vacation, there’s something fucked up going on with the standards.

When teachers are finding that things they did years ago, and heartily regret are causing them to lose their jobs, there’s something fucked up. I don’t give a shit that it may have been porn that they did. I don’t see why it’s an issue when it’s something that the teacher in question is performing their duties in the classroom to expectations, or even beyond those expectations.

For that matter, I think it’s particularly vile to punish any kind of former sex worker for something they’d done years ago. The so-called “Hooker Teacher” in NY may have misjudged the public reaction to her high profile statement about having done sex work while she was younger. That doesn’t mean that she was an ineffective teacher. That doesn’t meant that she was a poor role model for the elementary school children she was teaching.

I’ll admit I’m mostly focusing on alleged moral backlash coming back against female teachers. It may just be that’s what I’m noticing, or it may be that I’m correct to think that the double-standard is alive and well, still. Men may support various adult businesses, and it’s simply the way things are. Women, however, are permanently tainted by any kind of even incidental association, it seems.

I’m not so naive as to believe that this shit is new, or surprising. It is simply wrong, wrong-headed, and counter-productive. If your goal is to eliminate or even minimize the various sex trades, the way to do that is to help people out of that work, to show them that they can leave their past behind and that it’s what they are currently doing that they will be judged upon, not to permanently tar them with a reputation that will continually push them back into the same niches that you wish to eliminate.

Lest anyone think that this is a female only problem - take a look, sometime, at the reports about problems that ex-cons have in finding employment. Once again, in spite of claims to want to see people reformed, the actual result in the marketplace is that once convicted there’s a significant fraction of the population that will write off those people, permanently. With the completely inevitable consequence that they’ll find it hugely easier to return to crime for their livelihood than to try to maintain any kind of rehabilitation.

Here’s a clue, people:

If you want a better world, if you want to see less ugliness in the world, support people when they manage to change themselves. Don’t keep kicking them in the fucking teeth for daring to try to put their past behind them.

To get back where I started with teaching and teachers, I’d far rather have Tera Myers, Ashley Payne, or Melissa Petro teaching my children or The Monster, than I would want to see them at the mercy of the teachers and administrators at, say, South Hadley High School.

Real problems, causing real harm, to real children. Goddammit, why is it so fucking hard to see what’s important?

This is far too good a rant for the Pit.

Heh. My husband spent a year working in a rural school district in VA, and he was told during orientation that if he wanted to buy beer or wine to drive to the next county (to the nearest large grocery store 30 miles away) to get it. Otherwise ‘people would talk.’ Didn’t matter how good a teacher you were, apparently enjoying a beer on your time off made you undesirable.

He also got regular invitations to join local churches. Um. No.

It was much the same back in the 1940’s-1950’s, for much less serious actions.

My aunt, a teacher at a one-room country schoolhouse, had to run off to South Dakota to get married, in secret, because a female teacher was not allowed to be married. Then they lived in another town, and couldn’t let anyone from her school’s town know that they were married. She got mail at her mother’s house. They kept up this pretense for several years, until she became pregnant. (Though many people in the town knew that she was married, it was just never mentioned out loud.)

By then, the school board liked her, and didn’t want to go to the effort of finding a new teacher (especially one who would work for their low wages, and drive out to a lonely country schoolhouse in Minnesota winters). So they just ignored that regulation.

But they would actually fire teachers for doing something perfectly legal & respectable like getting married in church.

[She ended up working there from the time she graduated Teacher’s College as a teenager until she retired at age 65. By that time, the local school board was mostly grandchildren of students she had taught. When she retired, they closed down the school and merged with another nearby school district.]

There was something about a teacher about to graduate with her license getting it revoked because she was shown in a photo that labeled her drunk on FB. There was no alcohol in the picture. I think this story may’ve been posted here, actually.

Teachers get enough of a raw deal that being held to a higher standard of not doing “immoral” yet legal things is just the “chocolate” frosting on a shit cake. Fuck America’s “morality,” and not paying teachers well.

Stories like that make me glad I teach where I do. At the most recent facility meeting we voted on what kind of alcohol we wanted for the end of the year facility picnic. We decided on beer and margaritas. The wine was vetoed because not many people drink it and, though the nuns didn’t mind taking it home, it was seen as a waste of money.

The ex-porn star quit. She wasn’t fired.

And the one with the drinking photos on her private website also resigned rather than get suspended.

For that matter, Tera Meyers resigned after being suspended.

I really don’t see much difference there between being fired and resigning.

I don’t have any more to say to you in this thread.

I read that as there not being much difference between being fired and being FORCED to resign, and I agree.

  1. Teaching is a relatively low paying job with long hours during the school year and requires you to maintain “moral” standards

  2. It’s been like this forever

  3. It’s not a “raw deal” if it’s been like this forever and you chose it as your profession.

In other news, dairy farmers say it’s “not fair” that they have to smell cow shit all day.

“It’s been like that forever” is the most bullshit excuse ever for continuing a ridiculous behavior or attitude.

+1 vote for this being stupid as hell

(the ‘policy’, not the pitting)

Its pretty stupid but otherwise rational people get irrational about their kids.

I once did a local history project in elementary school on our school district; tracing it back a one room school (which is still standing on a farm near were my parents live) in the 19th century. I learned that a schoolmaster would be paid twice as much as a schoolmistress with the same experiance & qualifications; was allowed “to court”, and was even provided with a small cabin near the schoolhouse as an official residence of sorts. A schoolmistress was rotated among the local families for one week stints. I remember being really creeped out by the idea of having my teacher live with me. Church attendance was also required, but oddly they were forbidden from going to the same church twice in a row. :dubious: They were expected to rotate among the various (Protestant) churchs in the area.

because idiot parents believe that the world must be sanitized to protect their precious little darlings. These are the same dipshits who think “abstinence-only” works or that lying to their kids about what they did in their youth is the best approach.

Reminds me of the handy guide to telling the difference between Jews, Lutherans, and Baptists:

Jews don’t recognize Jesus as the son of god.
Lutherans don’t recognize the pope as the head of the church.
Baptists don’t recognize each other at the liquor store.

OtakuLoki, don’t get so distressed.

Did I happen to mention that I’m impressed?

(+1, +1, +1 for the rant)

I spent a few years working at private school where we were required to sign a little morality clause thing when we signed our contracts. Granted, it’s a private school, so they are well within their rights to do that, but. . .

A male teacher was fired for having a picture of himself shirtless on Facebook. The picture was from college and he was making a dumb face, had a mohawk, and was being silly, but it was no more sexy than the average guy hanging out with his buddies at the beach. What happened was that somehow, a kid got the picture off of his Facebook and it spread like wildfire throughout the school. Because it caused such a big disruption and SO MANY parents complained, the guy was fired on the spot.

This guy was a new teacher, but an excellent one. He was more enthusiastic and interested in his subject matter than anyone else in the department or, hell, even at the school. Doesn’t matter, though- he was fired. And because there was no certified person to teach the class in his place, 3/4 of the way through the year, the school had PARENTS come in and “teach” the class every day.

/Stan
YOU BASTERD!
/Stan