Screw You, Hyundai dealership! (long)

Ugh. After having a day to calm down about this, I’d like to post a rant about my recent (almost) car buying experience.

So, for some background: boyfriend and I break up (amicably), but our car is in his name, and I’m going to need a car since he’s moving out. This is a slightly time-sensitive issue, so I’d really like to get a new car ASAP. I know exactly what I want, too–a red version of what we have already. 2003 Hyundai Tiburon GT V6–reliable and oh-so-pretty. So I spent the last week going around to car dealerships talking prices with various salesmen until I found the lowest price. I wasn’t 100% happy even then (my ex said I should pay less), but whatever, I needed a car.

So the plan was for me to pick it up yesterday. I rearranged my whole day around it–I made sure I had EVERYTHING that the sales guy told me to bring–my check book (duh), and a copy of my new insurance card (I brought a copy and had state farm fax one over, just in case). I cancelled a doctor’s appointment that I had that day, and I left work early to go the insurance company to sign the papers and get the insurance card. I was prepared and excited to get my new car.

So, we get there (my ex and I) and we go to the new Hyundai building (there’s a big main building in this place, but they’re expanding into lots of little buildings for each car brand), talk to the car salesman a little, who then tells us we have to go to the main building to pick up my car (okay, no big deal, but he HAD told us the previous day that I could pick it up at the newers building.) So. We drive over to the new building and wait around for him. He comes over, says “let’s take a look at your new car.” Fine–it’s pretty. It’s red. It’s new. Let’s go.

“I’ll be right back,” he says. 10 minutes later, he comes back. “Everything’s all set,” he says. “Well, actually, I’m going to need proof of income. Our finance people will need that from you before we can let you buy the car.”

Wait a minute. NO ONE told me anything about “proof of income”–not the day before, not when I called, nothing. What would count as proof? “Well, a paystub,” he says. “You sure you don’t have a recent paystub on you?” Right, jackass, like I carry it around with me at all times.

“I’ll be right back,” says. 15 minutes later he comes back, and asks me again if I have any proof of income. “The Finance department really needs a pay stub or something.”

I tell him I don’t have any, and he kind of "tsk"s and says “Well, I’m going to let you take the car, but you have to take these dealer plates, and come back tomorrow and sign all the papers.” Apparently, the finance people didn’t “communicate” to him that I would need the proof of income because of the whole “being at different buildings” thing. “The bank that’s giving you a loan is a very tough bank,” he says. “They’re going to want to see a lot.” Well, jerk, if you’d known that before, why didn’t you, I don’t know, ASK THE FINANCE PEOPLE WHAT I WOULD NEED TO BRING WITH ME?

So, I kick my feet around a little and figure that a dealer plate car is better than no car, right? I say okay, I’ll take the dealer plates and come back tomorrow (which is really inconvenient for me because my friend’s wedding shower was tomorrow afternoon). So he starts putting the new plates on. We’re standing by the service and parts area and one of the mechanics walks by. “You got everything you need there?” he says to the salesman.

The salesman is poking around in the trunk at this point “No, I don’t,” he says. “The remotes are gone. She’s going to need new remotes.”

“Really?” says the mechanic, and he smiles and says (RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME):
"Guess we can’t get everything right, huh?"

And LAUGHS and walks away. At the time, I wasn’t sure what was happening, but now that I look back on it, I can’t believe he said that in front of the customer. I ask the sales guy what’s going on, and he says that my remotes (like, the things that are on your keychain that unlock the car remotely) are wrong, and he’s going to need half an hour to fix this, and could I please wait in the visitors area?

The visitors area turned out to be this scary area of the airplane hangar-like building with 20 year-old vending machines and rickety tables. There was a phone at an empty desk that two women there kept answering. I went to look at it later, and there was a sign by it that said “Attention Customers: If there is no receptionist here, please answer the phone when it rings. Thank You!” So, they make the customers answer the phone.

That was pretty much the last straw. I wait around for this guy for 45 more minutes, and when he comes back, I told him that I couldn’t believe what they were putting me through, and that I’d like to speak to a manager. He really didn’t want to put me through to a manager (he kept saying that “she’s at the other building”) and offered me a couple of free oil changes multiple times. I tried to stay calm and just kept asking for the manager. So, he calls up this woman, and is on the phone with her for 10 minutes before I get to speak to her.

“I understand there was some problem with your windows?” She says. :confused:

“Um, no…I wasn’t aware of that,” I said.

“Oh,” she said. “He said your windows weren’t cleaned.” I look at him and mouth “windows?”

“They were dirty–they didn’t get cleaned” he said. “I cleaned them.”

This was getting better and better. I told her that I really didn’t feel comfortable buying from a dealership that was putting me through this much to purchase a car, and that not giving me all the right information and then making me wait for 45 minutes while they did stuff to the car that they should have done already was just completely unacceptable. If this is how they act when they’re supposed to want your business, how are they going to act when I have to get my car serviced or something? I also told her what the mechanic said–“That’s just not right,” she replied. I tend to agree.

“Well, you’ll be receiving a survey in the mail after you purchase the car,” she said, “and you’ll get a chance to tell us all about this. I’d like to remind you, though, that the survey results don’t affect the finance department and they don’t affect the mechanic who said that–they affect [the salesman], and I hope you keep that in mind when you’re filling out the survey.” What the FUCK?

“I’m going to have to think about this,” I said, after the 20th time I was offered free oil changes.

“Well, you do that,” she said. “I hope you’ll make the right decision.”

You know what, lady? Stick it up your ass. I DID make the right decision. I walked out of there with the knowledge that the simple of act of not doing business with you made me happier than driving away with a new car (and THAT’s saying something). What a way to run a business.

I’m back at square one in my search for a new car, but I’m so happy I escaped their evil clutches. Stupid incompetent car dealership people.

I hate Hyundai dealerships forever since they promised me something that they didn’t deliver on. The young, naive me learned a valuable lesson from that however - always get it in writing. I like to think that’s a lesson that could have cost me a lot, lot more.

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Don’t supply a proof of income and get out of the deal. Buy it somewhere else.

Yeah–I’m totally done with them. I didn’t sign anything yesterday, so I’m calling the dude today and telling him no thanks.

You know, if you made this into a video game, you’d be rich. You could call it:
“Escape from Leisure Suit Larry”

Be prepared for a high-pressure sales pitch from the salesman. It’s the end of the month, and if he’s trying to make quota he probably already has your sale figured into his total. Taking it out is not in his plan, and he’ll likely offer you almost anything to keep the sale.

Rule Number Zero: Do not get financing through the dealership. Through the national company is okay… Ford’s not bad, I hear, but ALWAYS have it ready BEFORE you go in.

Because they will screw you. And screw you. Also, bend you over backwards and screw you again. I know one guy who got stuck with 28% compound interest. Highly illegal, but he got buffaloed.

This way, you walk in with the cash. They can’t ask you for this or that.

Oooh, I think you dodged a bullet there.

I think what they would have done (from listening to Clark Howard) is let you have the car, then when you bring back your paystub, they would say, “Oh, I’m sorry, we can’t give you the loan at this percentage rate. We’re going to have to give it to you at the higher one.” They’re gambling that since you’ve had the car for a night, you won’t want to give it up and will swallow the higher interest.

Go to your bank or credit union and get the loan. Then walk in with the cash. Don’t be afraid to walk away from the dealership. And don’t be afraid to look at other cars…you lock yourself in when you fall in love with one model.

Ditto what ivylass and **E-Sabbath[p/B] said – sounds like they were setting you up to get plucked on the financing. I always prefer to get my financing taken care of before I go into the showroom.

First rule of car buying: when something doesn’t seem right, leave. The dealers need you far more than you need them.

To the people saying to secure your own financing beforehand, what about dealers which offer 0% financing? My last car was used, and I brought my loan with me to the dealership, but now I’m considering buying a new car if I can get 0% financing. I really don’t want to go through the entire price/model negotiation process only to have to walk away when they come up with some magical reason why I can’t have it.

Advice? Every car salesman I’ve ever talked to has refused to talk financing until after you’ve settled on a specific car and price, saying the loan terms depend on the price…

Giraffe, that’s why I mentioned the national company financing agency. They usually offer the advertized specials, and are under stricter scrutiny.

Otherwise, er, you’re gonna get bait and switched to hell and back. I’ve heard Ivylass’ story before.

OK, how do you get a loan from the company before going to the dealership? I’ve looked at their websites, and they always say “see participating dealers for details”…

Things are so much better at the Jaguar dealership. They offer you espresso!

Ford: http://www.ford.com/en/vehicles/vehicleFinancing/default.htm?referrer=home

Hyundai: http://www.hyundaiusa.com/financing/aboutHMFC.asp

Or, alternately, if you’re ready to sign the final papers and the dealer pulls a “Sorry, you don’t qualify for 0% financing after all,” just get up and walk. Unless your credit is really bad, you can find another dealer who will honor the rate.

Sure, it’s a pain to do so after spending the time haggling and all, but that’s what the salesfolks expect – they want you to be exhausted after haggling so you’ll accept it when they try to ream you over.

Thanks, E-Sabbath! If I decide to buy new, I’ll give that a try in order to avoid the old screw job.

Oh, and don’t forget the special deals. Poke around.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/financing/ficgp.html

They offer 0% financing.

It doesn’t mean everyone qualifies.

I think you can get a better deal from the bank or credit union.

Yeah, there’s no way I (who’s has never had a credit card or made payments on anything–I don’t have bad credit, just no credit) would qualify for something like that.

Thanks for all the good tips, guys! I love posting here–not only do you get sympathy (when it’s deserved of course) ;), but you also get intelligent suggestions.

You may not get the offer, but hey, it’s worth a shot… because you can find out yea or nay before you walk in.