Well if its Kat I’ll ink in. If it’s santo then that’s a pencil with a big eraser.
Fucking 'verts can do with that what they will.
Gotta go until tomorrow night. Play nice.
Take a deep breath, Hero. Seriously. Now let it out.
Peeker’s like a tornado of incomprehensibility. =P
Nonetheless, I’m convinced the masons should in fact extend the claim–reason being that this form of masonry is uniquely vulnerable to the scum hitting one end of the chain and then setting up false claims.
Okay, something’s been bugging me about Total Lost’s comments about random voting. It took me a bit to figure out what it was, but I think this is it.
The posts in question:
I was thinking at first it was that TL comes across as arguing both sides in the same post, and also that with an unrevealed ending time, TL’s apparent approach seems counter-intuitive to me.
It looks to me like TL is saying being caught with a random vote would be wasting the vote, but she might random-lurker-vote later anyway. With a possibly-short Day, it would make sense to random-vote early (if at all) and then make sure to update to a more reasoned vote by the minimum 48 hour limit (or simply just make a reasoned vote to start with before 48 hours). (As an aside, we do know the minimum length is 48 hours, so I don’t understand why having a possible lengthier deadline makes random-voting more acceptable than it would if we simply had a flat 48-hour deadline and no possibility for longer, just get your reasoned vote in by 48 hours either way.)
Perhaps TL could clarify the preceding (including the “aside”).
But anyway, right in the middle of her discussion (in post 220):
2 posts after that (post 222, linked and quoted above), TL posted that random voting might be the way to go for Day 1. She doesn’t however, make any reference to Pleonast’s dissenting opinion. TL, you’re voting now with a reason, but do you still think random votes would be acceptable? And what are your thoughts on Pleo’s post?
Er…I can’t figure out if that’s good or bad. Can I order an explanation on this one? 
Kat and Hero are scum, I just feel it in my bones. I will try to articulate when I’m not inebriated.
P.S. I love peek’s forced explanations. They totally compliment his style. Some because the explanation was obvious, some because they wouldn’t have made sense otherwise.
Well, on this day on which a new day has dawned, newly, bringing a new day and with it the dawn of change, it behoves us all to face the future , embrace hope, and lick the nipples of self-belief. Yes, we can. Yes, we can.
Specifically, I can keep schtum. I realise that’s taking a bit of a risk (and painting a nice large target on my back) but the alternative is to provide scum with even more targets.
Speaking of which… I don’t understand peeker’s role-claim. We’ve got no means of confirmation, he hasn’t outed himself to share info, and if it is true he’s just another scum target. Now, his powers may well mitigate all of this - this could in fact be the shrewdest play in Mafia history - but lacking that knowledge, I am mystified.
The alternative is that it’s a false claim. In that case it’s difficult to see what the benefit would be. While we’re unlikely to lynch a claimed power-role (lacking any solid evidence), he made the claim under very little pressure, and with no votes against him. The only reason I can think of to do that would be to try to provoke a counter-claim. I don’t know how likely it is that scum would need to do that on Day 1.
As far as Nanook goes, I can believe he’s being honest about his role restriction. But given that it’s difficult to engineer a minority of votes against you, it makes almost as much sense for scum to come clean as it does for town. (Or indeed, one of our other roles/factions). Of course fellow-scum (if he be such) could take turns to vote for him, but it would set up a pretty obvious pattern.
Somehow, without really trying, we seem to have generated 5 role-claims in Day 1. How many more do we want? Although the Day may end in 4.5 hours, it probably won’t. It’s asking a lot, but any vote-leaders who try to defend themselves without role-claiming at first will probably be doing the town a favour. Because if toDay lasts till Friday, we run the risk of outing half the town.
somewhat surprised at all the role claims on day one.
consider my random vote on Hero to now be an actual vote. I am not liking the doctor guiding flavour of his protect the end of the mason chain posts, or alternatively it could be highlighting a target for scum buddies who have day powers etc etc. I find it quite scummy regardless.
wow - all this just for me - I feel loved 
Don’t now if I can - but I would like to try.
My random-lurker-vote is an idea I have had for a while. Thinking random-voting is not pro-town, I do see it as pro-town to get a lurker out on Day 1 (just my point of view).
To spot a lurker I need some time - simple as that. I needed everyone to have had a chance to post - with different time zones I thought after 24 hours every one would have had a chance NOT to be a lurker.
I don’t think we many lurkers left in this game. Only one could be Shadow - but he already made it clear, he wasn’t lurking - just not able to post.
Who do you see as a lurker???
(as for Pleo’s post - I’ll go back and read and answer in a moment. I’m at work and people seems to think it isn’t enough that I made the appearance)
And this is why I came up with the random-vote-a-lurker-idea… In my mind it makes sense to vote for a lurker - just because of the lurking.
A 100% random vote gives no reasons - but a lurking-random-vote does. And it gives the one voted for a chance to get unvoted - by stopping to lurk.
Anyway - the debate isn’t really that relevant right now IMHO…
I’ll admit, he’s pinging me too–but I think his doctor and mason suggestions are more a facet of not trusting the power roles to do their jobs than actual fishing for information.
I am only mildly satisfied with my NBC vote. While I do think he’s acted scummy, I don’t know how much that was inattentiveness, topic searching, etc. etc. (BTW, NBC, have you ever played a game you were town in before?) OTOH, I’m pretty darn sure Nanook is not a townie–whether he’s PFK or scum is in the air. But that’s good enough for me.
Unvote NBC
Ban Nanook
Your unvote took NaturalBlondChap out of the lead (technically, a tie with Hero From Sector 7G, but NBC would have been banned because he reached 4 votes first).
For now, Nanook of the North Shore is not in danger of being banned. However, I’d like to point out that it doesn’t make sense to ban him toDay. When he claimed, he already had one vote on him, which satisfied his requirement. So he could have just as easily kept quiet until Tomorrow. To me, that’s sort of a point in his favor. Second, he said
I’d like to give him the benefit of a doubt for now, and wait to see if there’s some sort of night action, or something else that happens. Lastly, if people really think he’s anti-town, wouldn’t it be better to just not vote for him Tomorrow. Then we’d have a ban and a Mod kill, giving us twice as much info in one Day. Does that make sense? I admit, I haven’t thought this whole thing through, but perhaps more math-inclined players could run through different scenarios and see if that approach is good or bad.
In 30 minutes we are officially in “day could end at any time.” I feel I’ve participated in discussion and tried my best to give my thoughts on what is going on around me. I must admit, this game strikes me as a bit odd. Players who only give fluff and some who aren’t even posting have less votes than me.
Squeaky wheel I suppose.
Sorry, for my lower the usual level of participation. I’ve been hit by the double-whammy of being busy at work and trying to buy a house on a time-limited short-sell.
First:
ban peekercpa
Can someone point out where he made a claim? I can’t find it, probably because I can’t understand what he says. My vote is because Townies try to find information, not obfuscate it.
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About the masons: while with a regular mason setup where they all know each other, this one is critically different. Since the information they have is in a chain, the last in the chain is effectively the last mason. If he dies without revealing his info, the next mason is essentially unconfirmable; that is, it strips away the primary power of a mason.
I think the masons should all claim, Today. Yes, it makes them vulnerable to being picked off by scum. But that’s not horrible–it actually protects the rest of the Town, especially our investigative and protective roles. I think it’s worth it.
Don’t forget to factor in that it actually helps scum home in on the other power roles, as they could just ignore the masons and go fishing in the now narrower pool. Still think it’s worth it?
That’s a point - unless there’s multiple factions, the scum already know who’s not-scum. They’re hunting power roles. They know the masons aren’t power roles, so it does help them a good bit.
Why not just let the scum play WIFOM with protective roles?
The fishing pool would be only incrementally smaller. And, as others have said, the longer the masons stay alive, the more valuable their confirmed status becomes.
So, if the masons all claim now, the scum will be facing a dilemma. Either ignore the masons for now in hopes of catching some big power roles, and watch the masons become a core pro-Town voting block, making it easier for the Town to home in on scum. Or, take out the masons first, and give the other pro-Town roles some time to get results.
If the mason don’t reveal now, the scum can chop up the chain and make it impossible to confirm some masons. That risk is more harmful to the Town then the alternatives.
Fair enough, can’t fault your reasoning.
The argument rages furiously, fingers are pointed, and most people seem to be having a rollicking good time. Suddenly Zsofia blinked.
“How long have we been arguing?”
A quick check revealed that the clock had been running now for just over 48 hours. They looked around nervously, waiting to see if the Day ended at the earliest possible moment. Sure enough, the Sun flickered.
But then glowed again, as brightly as before. However, hanging in the sky was a large placard, which read as follows.
Good day Chaps and Chapesses. I thought that perhaps you might like a Vote Count.[indent]Hero from Sector 7G : 4 (OaOW, ok11, Total Lost, Zeriel)
Nanook o/t North Shore : 4 (BS PI, Hero from Sector 7G, Peekercpa, Pedescribe)
NaturalBlondChap : 3 (Santo Rugger, Nanook o/t North Shore, Rapier42)
DiggitCamara : 2 (amrussell, Oredigger77)
Hal Briston : 1 (ShadowFacts)
Kat : 1 (Zsofia)
Peekercpa : 1 (NaturalBlondChap)Feel free to carry on debating.
This information brought to you by FSM Productions.[/indent]
(NB If you disagree with the vote count, feel free to post your query, and we’ll do our best to ensure any mistakes are corrected. After all, it’s your choice who to lynch, not ours…)
I agree with Pleo. The longer we masons are in hiding the greater our chances of being picked off and not able to be confirmed. Also we can act as either a shield for the power roles while they pick us off or if they ignore us we can direct the town to help avoid scum manipulation.
That being said; I am a Charter Member unfortunately all I can do is confirm Pede which doesn’t do much as far as confirming me.
Please count my vote.