It’s not necessarily someone’s power. It could just be a punishment for losing 2 masons. If it’s a power, then it’s an anti-town power, and the only anti-town players who are already dead are the two PFKs. Do you think one of them did it?
It seems a bit too convenient that the one mason you’ve been protecting is the one that hasn’t been targeted by scum. The only SDMB member I can think of to fit your s/n is MacTech (didn’t Mac advertise with “it just works”?). Anyway, I’m going to unvote, because we can sort of test your claim toNight. If you’re really protecting amrussell then he should be alive Tomorrow (and you’ll probably be dead). And if you’re false claiming than keeping you alive might mean that scum will play WIFOM with us and leave amrussell alone. So I think it’s more advantageous to not ban you toDay.
**Unvote Zsofia **
I’m not going to vote for the next leading candidate. Here’s an additional reason why I don’t see Hero being scum. On Day 1, he is the top candidate on the 48-hour vote count with 4 votes. Scum could easily swing the vote to Nanook, who also has four votes, or potentially to NBC who has 3, but they don’t. Why wouldn’t scum try to save one of their own? At that point only 16 out of 23 players voted, so it’s likely that not all scum have their votes tied up elsewhere. At the 74-hour vote count, Hero isn’t in the lead anymore. Now 7 people are voting for Nanook, but the additional 3 are all town. So it wasn’t scum that got the heat off Hero.
I’ll vote for Total Lost, because she was my top choice today anyway. Vote Total Lost
To be honest I don’t really get the numbers. But I did find it very uncomfortable to get a vote based on the numbers from Pleo and not being able to say or do anything about it.
Since we can’t all agree on Hero and we should not go for Zsofia after the claim I’ll
As for Darth, do we have anything at all to go on besides the fact that he’s not on the list of players or the list of roles? There do seem to be post restrictions in this game - the Al power, amrussell’s silencing yesterDay, etc. He seemed to be citing some sort of condition to come in and get a vote in so he’d survive. I don’t know what to make of it at all - I can see a last minute extra person as being a scum or town thing. I just don’t feel I have any information on him whatsoever and nothing to hang a vote on or not.
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Thank you. I’d add more on this, but it looks like there’s been some vote switching, so I’ll wait to put any comments until I see what happened.
I will say that this sort of comment bothers me. This is a text book smudge. The reason he “shrugged” most of the suspicion from earlier is basically that it wasn’t particularly substantiated in a way that most of us found it compelling, plus that whole argument developed into the Hero vs. Shadow thing we’ve had thus far Today.
Here’s the thing. If we’re always pursuing a second or third candidate when the first one is lynched and isn’t scum, they’re we’re essentially operating randomly and not utilizing that information. The main reason Hal was under suspicion at all was due to Shadow’s original analysis (which has been discussed to death). With the new information that we’ve had, AFAICT, I don’t think anyone other than Shadow seems to think there’s a whole lot of merit to that argument. So sure, having been near the noose and not now looks suspicious on a cursory glance, but not when you think about it.
Let’s assume Hal is scum, sure the scum aren’t going to push him, but that’s not going to stop anyone from pushing the logic that originally made him suspicious. The problem is, no one else seems to be buying that logic, and it’s certianly not the case that everyone is scum. Clearly, the case wasn’t convincing enough to town, so why should the scum keep running with it?
Now let’s assum he’s town. Again, we run into the same problem. Sure, the scum may want to push it, but the bottom line is, the argument still wasn’t convincing anyone and not everyone can be scum. The scum don’t have a straight majority, so even voting as a bloc, they’d have to convince some townies to vote with them, and without a convincing argument, it just won’t happen.
These scenarios are indistinguishable, because an unconvincing argument is an unconvincing argument. And if you think it is a convincing argument, you need to explain why you think it is. Otherwise, just pointing out that he’s not suspicious anymore when I’ve put a bit of pressure on you doesn’t look good.
Townies want to vote to catch scum. Scum want to vote to look like townies. Not to mention that the Day ended very quickly and I think a number of the people who didn’t vote didn’t even chime in at all. I’d really like to hear your reasoning behind this one.
Ok, I think we’re rapid heading towards “screwed”. So before that happens, it’s time to head off the Pleo wagon.
I, like Peekercpa, was an SDSAB. However, I aspired to so much more, for at the start of the game I was the Wannabe Admin. Originally, I was spending nights looking for the Administrator (detective), at which point I’d become a full-fledged Admin myself.
Bad news: The Admin was offed Night 1.
Good news: For my purposes, that counts as “finding” him.
So since Night 2, I, “NextTrick”, have been keeping busy. Since I don’t want to see more townies booted, it’s time for a reveal.
Night 2: Pleonast – Power Role whose name I won’t publically state unless Pleo wants me to (no need giving scum extra info)
Night 3: Fretful Porpentine – “Celebrity”
Night 4: Hero – “Member”
I’ve been using my investigations on those who really didn’t ping me very much, hoping to find under-the-radar scum. No luck. But, at least we have solid info on two of those involved.
What? I started a brigade against you, when it’s me and one other person voting for you? I called you out because you have a low post count and I have no read on you. I called you out because I wanted to see you participate more and get a read on you. And here you’re saying you like that that group (which interestingly enough, includes me) looks suspicious, and mention that people are calling out Total Lost’s participation, while she actually has MORE posts than you (or at least did when she was called out), and that’s okay, but calling you out for being non-participating is bad? Not to mention, of course, the OMGUS smudge against me. This looks more to me like scum throwing mud and seeing what sticks than actually analyzing what’s going on.
Beyond that, you completely misrepresented ok11’s analysis. She was specifically looking for people that weren’t grouping together based upon a hypothesis of scum distribution around the JSexton vote. Some of the scenarios had clusters that included some of that group, and some did not. I don’t like how you used that part of her analysis that could help you smudge people, but completely ignore her conclusion which made you look bad.
I really hate to comment on giving direction to Vigs or not, but I have to say that I think this is a bad idea. First, I think it’s extraordinarily unlikely that scum have an extra kill, so we’re stuck between having a Vig or an SK. No matter what amrussell chooses, the Vig or SK kill will look the same. And what if he happens to choose the Vig or SK? Obviously, they won’t kill themselves.
Vigs are confirmable by claiming, saying who they’ll kill, and following through, and eventually killing scum. However, I’m not in favor of that because an SK could pull that too, AND either way, a Vig or SK is the only way for us to climb out of LyLo for the rest of the game.
That said, I have no problems with amrussell providing suggestions, since at least we can be sure that his motivations are pro-town. I just have issue with necessarily drawing any sort of conclusions about whether that particular target is killed or not.
I don’t know what to make of this claim. I’d like to believe it, especially since we seriously need a detective to save us. On the other hand, some things just don’t make sense.
So when the Day started, your pool of unknowns was only 6 people, and the best you could come up with was a vote for Darth?
Have you been bread crumbing? Can you link your crumbs?
Why did you unvote without re-voting? If you think Pleonast is a power role, wouldn’t you rather vote for the next top candidate (even if you risk banning a vanilla)?
First off, with a lack of any other glaring suspect:
Ban ShadowFacts
Which, of course, begs the obvious question: Why didn’t I investigate Shadow, since I voted for him? Simple – I’m a bad investigator. This is my third time with this type of role, and the first two times I wasted just about every investigation by going after those who pinged me (i.e., they came back clean). I figured that maybe, just maybe, if I concentrated on those who weren’t pinging me, I’d get lucky. Ah well.
I did revote, but obviously the two posts were on top of each other. And I don’t want to risk banning a vanilla, I want to ban scum.
Nope…simple reason: I suck at it – beyond belief. If I tried to breadcrumb, it would’ve either been utterly meaningless, or it would’ve been picked up on by scum. Case in point for those who have been playing for awhile: “Yo, Oracle!” :smack:
Ummm…yeah. I had a very valid reason for doubting his story, so I voted for him. The smaller pool doesn’t somehow negate his possible scumminess.
Would you like me to point out how this is one of the scummiest statements made so far this game, or should we let someone else?
For that last one, we get:
Unvote ShadowFacts
Ban ok11
I’m not sure what to think of this claim. I can’t say I find it particularly convincing, since this would mean we essentially had two Doctors (granted, one was PFK) and yet not a single kill has been blocked yet. Assuming random kills that’s only a 46% probability, but since they weren’t, that probability is likely much lower. Still, having a power role could also be reasonable motivation for your behavior. If you are being honest, then the benefit of having another Doctor could help us climb out of LyLo and protect our only confirmed town; if you’re lying, we catch scum, but considering there’s several other out there, I think the cost of this lynch is too great without mroe information.
Unvote Zsofia
However, as I said earlier, most of what I’ve mentioneded about Zsofia’s behavior also applies to Total Lost. I acknowledge that she mentioned IRL issues, but others have posted about the same or less and made their presences much more noticeable.
Actually, just as a point of theory, because I love theory questions, I want to point out that confirming townies is more valuable than confirming scum. The optimal theory investigation for a detective is someone who, A, is likely to be town and, B, likely to live at least until the detective has had an opportunity to claim. I really don’t want to get into the discussion since it’s not exactly relevant, but if you want to read about it, NAF and I discussed it at length in the Simpletown game (at least I think it was that game).
Either way, if you’re telling the truth, regardless of whether you did it on purpose or not, the potential for providing us with 2 confirmed townies at this point is good.
