Hi folks.
I enjoyed running this. Never a dull moment.
I’ve managed to open up the boards so they’re availablefrom here :
I’ve also removed the passwords. At least I think so. I’m inadequately caffeinated right now.
Finally, I’d like to be in Evil Dead.
Just read this on the Junior Mod:
Damn my lazy proofreading! Blam, what were my mistakes?
Post 1172.
No hyphen necessary in ‘vote-leaders’.
You were lacking connecting verb between ‘Zeriel’ and ‘town’ in the fourth section (a comma would have worked, as well.) It’s the same in the next section, with ‘Hal’ and ‘town’
And in the last sentence before your vote, Blaster had both stylistic and grammatical issues with you post. Final punctuation of a sentence that ends with a parenthetical statement should go inside the parentheses, not outside. Furthermore, that really wasn’t a parenthetical statement, it was an equal part of that clause.
Hmmm. Do you think that if I spent the next three pages vigorously refuting these on the basis of UK usage, then I could get the game retrospectively drawn on a technicality? Because my dark side really, really wants to.
DO OVER! New role PMs in your inbox!
It was mostly punctuation IIRC. I’m pretty sure I posted it in the night thread where I silenced you.
Also, I intended to block Zsofia for the last night too, and the PM I got implied that I had corrected it correctly, but since I failed to specify that I wanted to block her at Night and not during the Day, it didn’t go through… sorry scum buddies on that foul up. :smack:
Good game to everyone. It was a fun game to watch, and the spoiler boards were almost as interesting as the game itself.
Oh and Story, let me into Evil Dead mafia, please.
Good game scummers.
I’ll play Evil Dead, as well.
Good work, Scum.
By the time my analysis had enough info to be useful, it was too late. I love how I picked out Hero as the scummiest voter and then Hal clears him. Of course, even a Town investigator would have cleared him, but I definitely bought Hal’s claim. That’s a problem with choosing to trust someone–they’re not always Town.
I killed BlaM because I was fairly sure he was scum and I couldn’t see how the Town would lynch him. He’s too good at worming out. Squid was next on my list.
Can you open up the Scum board to guests? I don’t want to go through the effort of registering.
Hmm, interesting game to follow.
Well played all.
Sooooo tempted by Evil Dead Mafia.
Sooooo tempted…
The boards should already be open. Let me check. (You should be able to read the spoiler board anyway, so I assume you mean the Anarchist’s Basement).
ETA : Should be ok now.
I’m going to open a new thread for the next game, so as not to clutter up post-game discussion with pre-game discussion. Look for it in a few minutes, and sign up if you’re so inclined!
Wow - scum really played a great game!
When reading the scum-thread I learnt a lot - it was truely well-played.
I don’t like to lose - but you guys really deserved the victory!
Also, I want to make some comments on scum play in this game for the sake of posterity, I touched on them in the off-board comment thread, but I think putting them at the end of the game here will be better.
One thing that was very different about this game than most of the other ones I’ve played in, is that scum were VERY active. Four of the five scum were among the top posters, and this is antithetical to how all of the other games I’ve been in played out, where scum activity was spread out or relatively low. As such, we were already at somewhat of an advantage because it’s not something that we were expecting.
I also think the JSexton gambit was a key turning point in scum favor. Everything I said about him and how it was generally a null tell was something I absolutely believed to be true. I also think the analysis later that his lynch was pushed by scum is partially true. The thing is, what we did was we kept the JSexton gambit heavy in conversation which more or less forced everyone to form an opinion on it and kept them from forming opinions on other things which resulted in a lot of the sort of “well, I’m not sold on it, but I haven’t seen anything scummier today, so I’ll vote for him”. IOW, while I was actively opposing the JSexton lynch, I was careful to not be TOO adamant about it, by emphasizing that it was a null tell, while I was using it to get the town to do the dirty work of voting for him for me and meanwhile, setting up Zeriel to get lynched the next Day.
So the next Day, when it looked like the JSexton lynch was pushed, there was a sense of turth to that, but the reasoning and methodology were both off. We weren’t trying to protect Hal, and we weren’t doing it by actively piling on one person or another. In fact, I imagine if anyone went back and reread a lot of the posts that were made during JSexton’s lynch with knowledge of who is and is not scum, you’ll be able to see how we were subtlely encouraging people to vote for him.
As for my specific strategy, I employed a new one this time. Previously, I’d found that if I try to play overly townie, I start looking suspicious for no other reason than because I’m too townie. This is what happened to me in the Psycho game, and I ended up getting lynched bad logic because everyone was convinced I was too townie and just wanted me gone. So my strategy was just to pretty much do whatever I wanted provided I could find a good pro-town reason for doing it while keeping my scummy motivation hard or impossible to detect. For instance, I was pushing hard late in the game to look at the low posters, this is something that has obvious protown motivation, especially given the way the game was playing out and that we had the town convinced that the scum were lying low, but really, my scummy motivation was that it was directing the town’s attention to a group of people that had only one scum who had already been mostly written off as a lynch candidate. It is something that would have looked really bad if several high posters had been lynched and shown up scum, but that didn’t happen. It was also something that should have looked bad for everyone else once I was lynched, but no one looked back and did any motivational analysis on what I was doing with the knowledge that I was scum.
The other thing I was doing, and Shadow pointed this out well in the off-board comment thread, was I was deliberately manipulating the direction of conversation. I was able to waste a lot of time discussing Pleonast’s, and ok11’s voting analysis. This is something that, obviously, has protown motivation, especially since both people were potential scum candidates at the time and their motivations. But again, if they went back and look at those discussions with knowledge that I’m scum, my motivation should be obvious. Not only was I keeping discussion about numbers and not about really looking at people, but each of you had actually found scum, just using faulty logic. Thus, I was able to convince you to change your votes, while gaining some credibility for pointing out bad logic.
And this is why I give kudos to Pleonast for killing me. I think pretty much everyone knew I was scum, but because of how careful I was about ensuring I had solid potential pro-town motivation for everything I did, there was no damning evidence against me that I couldn’t easily argue my way out of. However, because he lacked accountability for his actions, he didn’t have to present an argument and give me an opportunity to fight it, he could just target me on his gut. And speaking of which, I do think that most of the town had seemed to have some good instincts about who was scum, and just weren’t weren’t able to find the damning evidence.
Also, to Zsofia and ok11 specifically, sorry for picking on you. 
And just to put this on the public record, sorry about framing you like that, Shadow. Gotta say, though, I’d have paid a large number of ScumBux to have been able to have seen the look on your face when you read the “ShadowFacts is a Jerk” post.
If I’m not mistaken, the “wannabe detective” was my first scum gambit that actually worked. Glad it worked so damn effectively. 
I always have a hard time imagining you as scum, Blaster Master, because you post so much good analysis and sound and fury. 
I realize that’s the point. I mean, when you went after me pretty much all I could do is hang my head and admit that you were right, that I wasn’t playing well, and that I understood why you were picking on me.
I didn’t really have a strategy. I felt my role as Godfather sorta dictated I try to take a center stage approach to the game. My power would only be realized if I was investigated, and no-one would do that if I played it straight.
I also felt we had to stand together. I wasn’t going to let the town hang Hal so early in the game and felt that I could take the chance to defend him. In retrospect that might not have been the best idea, but it sure worked for this game.
Well, to hope to save myself from getting lynched for pulling that in the future, it’s actually one of my staple techniques for getting a read on someone, which is why I did it. The thing is, it depends heavily on me being able to find some good evidence (whether I necessarily find it convincing or not) and being able to get under your skin, which is why I apologized. The thing is, I actually was pretty convinced that you were vanilla, and I figured I would get you flustered enough that you would react pretty much how you did, and I would get some votes on you. I was actually quite surprised to see you were a paranoid Doc, but it still worked out well because, knowing you were a bit flustered, I was pretty sure you weren’t bluffing about any part of your claim.
So, I give you props for doing a good job hiding your doctorness, but also for the future, try to avoid making a claim in a situation like that without consideration; never make a claim under duress. You were probably right to claim, but you would have been better off claiming either doctor or role blocker (probably doc) and leaving the other part off; either would have probably been enough to turn suspicion off of you at the time, and you would have actually given BAD information to the scum without hurting town. Also, Doctors should generally not reveal who they have protected because it’s not of any use to town, since scum can easily make up a list, but it does give information to the scum, and we were able to use that information to judge how the rest of your protections were going to play out.
Yeah - if you hadn’t gotten me off balance I probably would have thought, hey, why tell who I protected, since none of them have obviously been hit by attempted kills? You played me like a fiddle.
Actually, I think defending Hal was a good play for a Godfather because, really, your goal should be to do anything you can to get investigated because, otherwise, you’re not really any better than vanilla scum. Getting scum semi-confirmed, as demonstrated by late game play, is an amazing asset to scum because you can either pretty much avoid any suspicion for most of the game, or you can spend that town cred later, like Hal did in getting Shadow lynched. Unfortunately for you, though still a great bit of luck overall, we killed the detective the first Night; however, you also did a good job with that because you managed to drop most of the initial suspicion on you from Day One by lying low for a while. Overall, I think you did quite well for a first time player as scum.