SDMB Slob Reform Club - May Edition

First and foremost, I have to admit that this OP is drawn completely from my own current experience. Perhaps that’s something that should be obvious, but since this OP is less about what progress I’ve made, and more about the state of my life and how that is reflected in the state of my house, I wanted to make that clear.

My lease is up at the end of May, and I am moving. As I said in the previous thread, a move is a good time to get rid of stuff, but this move is particularly excruciating. I have moved 8-10 times in the past 8 years, and I still have far more stuff than would be expected for someone who’s moved so much. I don’t even want to think about how much stuff I’d have if I hadn’t moved so much.

This move is hard for me on a lot of levels. I am in the process of separating from my husband, and we are both moving to separate places. So there’s sorting to be done, and I have to think about my future housing, and future moves – alone. Furthermore, I am in the middle of finishing my MS, which means finishing a thesis (of DOOOOM!), and I will be gone for 10 days in early May. There are other stressors for this move, but those are the big ones that affect my cleaning and packing, I think. So I am trying to plan for my future, while sorting through the detritus of my past.

This has lead to me trying to figure out how to pare down the amount of stuff I own, without getting too bogged down in the emotions that are attached to the stuff, and the emotions that aren’t really attached to the stuff, but are easy to lead myself into thinking so. At the same time, I don’t think it’s healthy to wall all of those emotions off. I find it a fine balancing act, and one I’m not much good at.

When I originally started this post, about a week ago, I was trying to give myself permission to let go of a lot of things. Some things, specifically my “dust collectors”, I’ve been relatively successful at. Others, like my books, I’d only been moderately successful at. Others, like a couple of pieces of heavy furniture, I’d not been successful at at all. So I had a long post written about trying to make my way through all of this, and how hard it was, and what I thought the right answers were. At this point, I hadn’t yet found a new place to live.

Then I spent this weekend looking for a new place. And I found one, thankfully. As I searched, I spent a lot of time thinking, and a lot of time chatting with those I care about. I had been trying to convince myself to let go of my huge solid oak table (seats 6+) and matching buffet/sideboard, and I hadn’t been particularly successful. I kept telling myself things like, “Well, it’s not really more functional than something from IKEA. And it’s heavy, and you could probably sell it the same way you bought it.” I tried to avoid my feelings that this was my first set of “real” furniture, thinking about how unique the pieces are, and how much I love them. Needless to say, this wasn’t working.

A friend of mine helped ground me back out with it, and I think gave me the solution for a lot of my clutter. My friend pointed out that their table & chairs came from IKEA, and that the cost of the table & 4 chairs was 2/3 of what I’d spent on my table, six chairs & buffet. And those table & chairs are not at all something to be invested in. So why was I really worrying about getting rid of this set? If it was just that it’d be harder to move than the stuff from IKEA, well sure. But it’s also more functional than the stuff from IKEA, even if I hadn’t seen that originally, and it’s well loved. So if the problem is moving it, the solution may well be to hire movers.

On the whole, I had originally been thinking that the solution to the clutter problem was to “give ourselves permission to let go”. I still think that’s true to a degree, for all that it’s the kind of solution that’s on par with “find balance”, and just makes the audience want to stab the speaker. However, what we rarely hear, and what I discovered this weekend, is that there’s a flip side to that coin. We have to give ourselves permission to hold on, as well. Beating ourselves up over our investment in our things isn’t particularly conducive to actually getting rid of stuff!

So I’ll keep the table & buffet, especially since the buffet will effectively triple my counter and cabinet space in my new kitchen. I’ll still get rid of gobs of books, but maybe I’ll be a little less ruthless about it. I’ll more closely follow the idea I had in the first place. “How likely am I to be able to find this in a library, should I want to read it?” Anything that is absolutely going to be in a library is gone. Anything that’s likely to be in a library is gone. Anything that’s unlikely to be in a library, I can keep if I want it. And I plan to be just as ruthless with the dust collectors. Frankly, all they do is sit around and look pretty and collect dust. I hate dusting, so time to reduce the amount I have to do.

I feel better about all of this than I did, though I expect to have a few more meltdowns. I’m moving into a smaller space, which is often the death knell for me. When my husband and I were first married, we rented a two-story, three-bedroom house, and were able to keep that clean and uncluttered, except for one room. I was content with that solution, especially since that one room wasn’t our bedroom. Once we moved out here, where rent is so much more expensive, we’ve been condensed into smaller places, and haven’t been able to clean back up. I hope to spend the next year in my space doing a few things. Getting rid of stuff, clutter and keeping the place clean are high on the list. But I plan to do that by getting to know me, by myself, a bit better. Figure out just how clean and uncluttered I am, and either accept that level, or strive for better.

Wow. Me too, sorta. mr.emilyforce and I are moving (together) this month and it is way stressful; I am a terrible slob and am mostly at peace with that. He has some slob tendencies but disarray bothers him a lot, so we have tension about mess. He often fondly recalls having moved once in his late 20s and being able to fit all his belongings in the back of his compact pickup.

I draw the line at books and furniture I like. My library is my soul, man!

The hardest thing at the moment is giving up supplies for projects I’ve never finished, or broken things I know I can fix but haven’t yet, etc.

Anyway, here: have some moral support. ///support\\ You deserve it.

Whoof, BlueKangaroo, that’s a lot of upheaval in your life. (Weird question: do you find that working on your thesis allows you to ‘escape’ for a little while? My thesis came due just as a horrible crisis happened in my life, and I found that forcing myself to concentrate and work on it helped me a lot.)

We are plugging along and I’m playing catch-up this week, after neglecting everything in order to sew and go do other stuff. Today I’m cleaning the kitchen–or at least, I will after I post. I have washed, folded, and put away a ton of laundry in the past 24 hours, so that’s a good accomplishment.

Emilyforce, that’s exactly it. The last post I worked on did touch on my meltdown about making these stacks of books. It wasn’t any one book or type of book, it was just the size of the piles, and how long I’ve been a reader.

I hope you and the mister manage to figure it all out, with minimal stress. And that you manage to get rid of a lot of stuff! :wink:

Dangermom, I wish I had that tendency. I have the unfortunate tendancy to freeze up when I feel overwhelmed, at least chronically so. It wasn’t so bad last week, when I got the last push of input I needed to finish up the second chapter of my thesis. But now that I’m staring down the barrel of the third chapter, I’m flustered again.

As for my progress of the day, I have e-mailed my committee chair about my confusion with this third chapter, started contacting movers for quotes (just one so far), and helped the Kangaroo_in_Black sort out our games and start on the front closet. I hope to sort out some more books today, and maybe pack some clothing. Normally I’d pack the clothing in an unused suitcase, but I might need it for my trip.

Oh, and if anyone has any recommendations or tips for someone hiring movers for the first time, I’d love to have them. Thanks!

I’m in for the May edition. We’ve just found out I’m pregnant, and that will mean moving somewhere where there’s more space. We’re both packrats, and I work at a bookstore. We have a million books.

This will be fun.

We probably won’t move until the end of summer, but that only gives me four months to stare hard at things, and think, “Do I really need this?”. And after we move, we’ll try to set up so that there are many fewer sharp/pointy/dangerous/poisonous things down at baby level, just to be proactive.

Woo! Congratulations, Lissla! Don’t worry about the books, you can let the kid use them as building blocks. :smiley:

Oh, it’s not a tendency of mine at all. I had to force myself to do every bit. You see, my thesis consisted of two different topics, chosen out of 6 or 7 possibles. If you failed either of the topics, it had to be re-done in the next semester, and that was the only chance you got. So it was a choice between making myself do the two papers, even though I was falling apart and only wanted to stay in bed, or re-doing it all again the next semester and taking the chance that one would fail, in which case I would never get the degree at all. The thought of doing it all again and possibly failing permanently was enough to get me to do the thesis, despite my personal misery–and it just happened to help me out, as well. But it was horrible. I hope you can cope with it better!

Yay, Lissla!

Wow, dangermom, that’s incredibly intense! My thesis is on the research I conducted over the last two years. Right now my advisor wants a solid answer to the question, “Why did you spend two years of your life on this?”, and I’m pretty sure, “Because I like large cats and it’s nifty-neato!” isn’t the right answer. As it stands, I just won’t be allowed to go up and defend in June if my committee doesn’t think I’m ready to pass.

I sorted out some more books, and this bunch was a lot easier. I think the attitude of being willing to keep the books I don’t expect to find in a library makes it easier. I’ll do some more packing soon, of some sort.

Boy do I!

  1. See if you can get a guaranteed quote instead of a guestimate. IIRC, that may be the only legal way to do it in some places. You pay by the pound. A competent moving estimator can come to your house, eyeball your stuff, and make you a contract.

  2. Don’t put up with an incompetent estimator. The company we used back in Ought Ought had their estimator quit the day I called them; the owner came out himself to do our contract. He lowballed himself by almost half… which should have been a great deal for us, except that he declared we’d cheated and hidden stuff when he estimated, and wanted to sue us, and was generally very very nasty.

  3. Understand how the business works: the people you sign the contract with will then line up a carrier to actually transport your stuff. Those drivers do not work for the people you signed the contract with. Unless you have a lot more stuff than I think you do, your stuff will not fill their truck, and they will group other people’s stuff in there with yours. If your stuff was first on, it will be last off. If the drivers picked up business for folks moving far away from your new place, you get to wait. When I was a kid, moving from Ohio to eastern Washington state, our van was eight weeks late! It went by way of several southern states, then Mexico, then up the West Coast to Seattle just before the mountain passes closed for heavy snow.

  4. For that and other reasons, assume the truck will be a few weeks late, no matter what they tell you, and pack accordingly. Take with you whatever you might need by way of legal papers for starting a new bank account, etc., and if you’ll be job-hunting, your resume and some interview outfits.

  5. Make 100% sure you know how the truck unloaders can be paid when they arrive. Ours required cash, local check, or Discover card - they arrived unannounced on a Sunday (two weeks late) and said they couldn’t take Visa or MC on Sundays (some kind of authorization thing). We didn’t have cash on hand and couldn’t get that much all at once, it being Sunday, and we didn’t have a new checking account yet. They were going to unload our stuff into a rental storage unit and make us pay for it if I hadn’t remembered I had a never-used Discover card left over from a Hotwire promotion.

Good luck!

Oh, wow, emilyforce! That sounds insane and overwhelming.

I’m more looking for an in-town(ish) move, so hopefully this isn’t something where weeks will be involved, at all. It’s just that I can’t move out of my stupid condo on the weekend (because they have stupid rules), and I don’t know anyone who can help me move on a weekday. That, and I’m moving into a second story apartment with no elevator, it just seems to make sense to hire people to be burly…

Oh! Well in that case, none of what I ranted about applies! :slight_smile:

I think it does indeed make sense to hire people to be burly. I would, though, just keep an eye on them to make sure they aren’t mondo-stupid-burly: one of our “carrying stuff out of the house and putting it on the truck” guys nearly broke his knee getting mr.emilyforce’s file cabinet down the front stoop stairs. They were high school seniors hired for the day, we found out, no training at all.

Wow, BlueKangaroo. . . fabulous OP!! Thanks for writing it. It’s been a pretty emotional day here, and it had me choked up. Great stuff!

And yeah, finding that balance is hard. I give in to the feeling of wanting everything around me. I paid to move a HUGE box of magazines. . . through a couple moves!! I think a swing over to letting things go would be helpful here. On the other hand, though, I just paid to have a quarter of a dump truck of stuff hauled away a couple years ago. And it was all stuff I didn’t miss at all. So that was nice.

One tip I might add for your move. Don’t be fooled by in-town moves. Perhaps you’re not, but I had a neighbor that bought a house literally down the street about 10 or so houses away and she said that it was one of the hardest moves. I think that’s because she wasn’t mentally prepared for it being a move since it was only down the street. Having said that, it probably isn’t any more stressful than any other move, just not considerably less so. And when you talk to the movers, let them know about the stairs because they price accordingly. Good luck with getting that set up! I hope it goes well.

Please keep us apprised of your progress. I’m enjoying reading about your insights.

Lissla, I didn’t get to congratulate you on the MMP yet, so CONGRATULATIONS!! and it’s nice to see you here on this thread also.

Thanks, emilyforce.

Heffalump and Roo, I think it’ll be okay on the in-town move thing. Most of my moves have been in-town moves, with only two or three being large moves. I actually am not sure what to do in this in-town move, because I can’t move stuff as I go!

My progress today has been decent. About a paragraph on the thesis (not so decent), almost all of the laundry washed, folded and sorted into his and hers dressers. I also packed my winter clothing into an unused suitcase. I also started packing for my trip, and am making plans for how to get to the airport on Saturday. I also managed to pick out a few clothing items to freecycle, though I could swear we had a pile of those somewhere that has been lost.

Now for dinner, and then hopefully something else productive.

Glad to hear it. It sounds like you’re doing some great planning with lots of preparation.

Adrenaline, frustration and anger apparently make for a cleaner house.

Oddly, in all of the homes I’ve lived in for the past 8 years, none of the landlords has ever tried to show the house while I/we were still living in it. This means it didn’t even occur to me that the landlady here would want to, until she called and told us she wanted to show it this weekend (to multiple people!), and what day would be best for us?

The house is a disaster because we’re slobs and packrats. It’s ALSO a disaster because we’ve been attempting to pack in too small a space, and to do the emotionally charged business of sorting out who gets what. Finally, we both have long hours, and between that and the draining emotional cloud in the house, we both tend to be exhausted in front of our computers at night.

However, today, we got the bedroom damn near clean. It’s not packed, though it’s more packed. And I got rid of several things; luckily we have a community freecycle in the building. I would say the bedroom is 95% presentable. The rest of the house is a complete nightmare, but the bedroom is looking amazing.

Given that we got it to this point in ~2h, I’m hoping it bodes well for the rest of the house. We managed to delay the landlady until late afternoon Sunday. This gives us a couple of hours Thurs-Sun to get the house “presentable”. I won’t be here for Saturday or Sunday, but he won’t be around for most of the time tomorrow and Friday, so let’s call it a trade-off.

I’m pretty impressed as I look at this room. I guess adrenaline, frustration and anger also make it easier to just write stuff off.

We have ants. All over the kitchen floor. I seem to be containing them with vinegar, but I want them all to die miserably.

I seem to be able to manage one and a half big pieces of housekeeping per free day. I’m going to wash the dishes, and then move all the cookie sheets away from the ant area and wash them. Blech.

I think you’re absolutely right. We’re not monks here - we’ve taken no vow of poverty, we’re not set against worldly goods. The key is to minimize your stuff, not to eliminate your stuff. I think what you may have caught sight of is that one of the “rules” of getting rid of stuff is that to keep it, you ought to *love *it or use it. You obviously love that table. From the sound of it, I would too, it sounds fabulous! AND, you use it, so there’s absolutely no philosophical problem with keeping it and committing yourself to being a reformed slob.

I know what you mean about your first “real” furniture. In the last year I have gotten my first real wood, not pressboard, chosen from the store, not hand-me-down stuff. I’m amazed (and a little ashamed) at just how good material stuff can make me feel! But I also notice that a carefully chosen and cherished end table collects less stuff than the scuffed lawn sale make-do piece. The beautiful shelves which serve as my entertainment unit get dusted more often than my brother-in-law’s old castoff metal and glass unit from 1986 (seriously not my taste!). Now that I have stuff that I like, I want to see it and keep it pretty, instead of internally cringing and walking away every time I see it.

I’m also a very avid re-reader, and every time we move, the books are the most painful. what I do is make three piles: “Absolutely Keep On the Shelves”, “Donate” and “Box For Six Months or One Move”. The boxed books are the hesitation books, the “Oh, I don’t know…” ones. They are tied with a ribbon for easy marking, and they go in the back of the basement or storage unit at my new place. So they’re THERE, if I really get a hankerin’ for something in there, but they don’t take up living space. It takes intentional effort to get something out of there. If I remember at six months, and haven’t cracked open the box, then they become Donate if I need the space. If not, at the next move the red ribbon reminds me that they are now Donate. One caveat: I CANNOT OPEN THE BOX! Unless I’m looking for something specific, opening the box will only snag me in a nostalgia trap and suddenly every book in there is a treasure again.

As for local moves, check the internet or yellow pages, and look up the companies at the Better Business Bureau’s website. Movers seem to have a higher percentage of complaints than other vocations. We used movers only for the heavy stuff for our last move, and that was great, but next time I’m going to come up with more cash to let them do even more. Those guys are so fast and it’s all so much easier to let them deal with it!

Hoo boy, yes.

I hereby request and confer permission on everybody to enjoy material stuff. It’s okay to appreciate quality, utility, and beauty in things even if you buy them. It doesn’t necessarily mean we’ve capitulated to a consumer ethic. Right?

Yes and yes and yes. It’s fun to take care of things you like, and itchy to take care of things that bug you. I wish mr.emilyforce understood about this.

This is an absolutely brilliant idea. Can you estimate how many books you’ve divested yourself of this way?

That is just cruel. We had this happen with only a few hours’ notice a few months ago when our landlord was selling the duplex we rent. I told myself it was like EMTs seeing your hole-y underwear when they pull you out of a wreck - yeah, it would be better if you’d done what your mom always told you and worn nice ones, but the EMTs aren’t really paying any attention to 'em.

Mad props! Woot woot woot!

Over four moves, well over 5000 books*. It pains me even to type it. But honestly, I can’t tell you many of the titles now - so they’re well gone and off making 5000 new people happy…or one person like me happy!

*Whenever my mom and I went shopping, I got a book. For gifts, I got (get) books. As punishment, books were taken away or I wasn’t allowed to read for X amount of time. I’m one of *those *people. :smiley:

Eh, let’s pretend we’re disciples of William Morris. It’s OK to love our things for their beauty, quality, and utility (as you say!). The problem shows up when we value our loved things over people and their needs, I think(–or also when we spend lots of money on continually changing our furniture). That doesn’t make us rabid consumers, it makes us…er…homemakers. We love our things because they contribute to a harmonious, welcoming home that makes us and others feel good. How’s that? :smiley:

I’m feeling pretty competent today; I got the bathrooms cleaned and then made a bunch of food, so I’ll have really yummy pitas for lunch for the next few days. (Hummus, falafel, and cucumers in dill-yogurt sauce, yum!) Eggs are boiling and I’ll make some brown rice and a salad too. I’ve decided that we’re having salad and brown rice for dinner a couple times a week this summer–healthy and refreshing and easy, and maybe we’ll lose a few unnecessary pounds.