"Second Amendment Remedies" [re: Arizona Shooting]

[Moe]

@Bricker

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to permit the people to defend themselves against government tyranny. So metaphorically, invoking the Second Amendment is a call to resist government tyranny – not by firearms, but by citizen involvement and solidarity.

To think I was naive enough to try and engage you in a serious conversation…

[Marley23]

Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who’s in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical…
Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.

Angle: Well it’s to defend ourselves. And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.

This isn’t a metaphor any more than those gunsights were surveyor marks.

[Capitaine_Zombie]

@Marley23

This isn’t a metaphor any more than those gunsights were surveyor marks.

Now we just have to wait till a loony kills a politician with the use of a surveyor instrument. And we can witness another moving of goal posts. I’m having Iraq War/ WMDs flashbacks here.

[Jack_Batty]

Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who’s in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical…
Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.

Angle: Well it’s to defend ourselves. And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.

@Marley23

This isn’t a metaphor any more than those gunsights were surveyor marks.

Take five, Bricker, I got this one covered for you. Ahem …
AHA! See! She was hoping it *wouldn’t *come to that! She isn’t even *for *Second Amendment Remedies! She was warning us *against *them!

[Marley23]

“Awful nice metaphor you got there. It’d be a shame if somebody shot it.”

[wonky]

My metaphorical gun makes up for my lack of metaphorical penis.

[Moe]

“Everybody stand back! He’s got a metaphor!”

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Bricker

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to permit the people to defend themselves against government tyranny. So metaphorically, invoking the Second Amendment is a call to resist government tyranny – not by firearms, but by citizen involvement and solidarity.

Take a bow, Bricker.

[SenorBeef]

@Bricker

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to permit the people to defend themselves against government tyranny. So metaphorically, invoking the Second Amendment is a call to resist government tyranny – not by firearms, but by citizen involvement and solidarity.

That’s pretty good, actually. I mean, you took an impossible situation to defend and actually made it sound half decent.

Of course it’s still silly. But I’m just curious - you’re aware of how much you’re stretching it, right? I mean - this is sort of a challenge for you, fielding all comers… You don’t actually believe what you just said to be truthful and realistic, right?

[El_Kabong]

@Bricker

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to permit the people to defend themselves against government tyranny. So metaphorically, invoking the Second Amendment is a call to resist government tyranny – not by firearms, but by citizen involvement and solidarity.

You really should be ashamed of yourself for that weak-ass pseudo-argument. Get some rest, dude; you’re just phoning it in.

[Malthus]

@Euphonious_Polemic

Here is my take on who should exercise control of their mouths (reposted from another thread):

Here is an short, probably incomplete list of people who should probably exercise some control, and try not to suggest how " the time may be coming when an armed revolution would become necessary in order to take the country back from a government that had begun deliberately defying the will of the (a minority of the people who did not vote for the party in power)"

This is simply my opinion. These folks should exercise some self-control, as it is clear that they can potentially reach millions of people, and are theoretically in a position where they are taken seriously:

-Running for State or Federal office on one of the two main party tickets.
-Elected to State or Federal office.
-Hired by a network or cable news show to give serious commentary on politics.
-Hosting a serious current events show on a major TV or Radio network.

Now. We have seen some examples from the Tea Bag wing of the Republican party who may fit this mold. People who have participated in some extreme rhetoric.

Contrasting these people with left-wing obscure message board posters, or leftie washed up actors, or whatnot, is just wrong

And for the record, I think that Obama quoting the movie “The Untouchables” during the election about bringing a gun to a knife fight was a poor attempt at humor, and he should have apologized. Oh wait, he did.

Ah … about that article …

[SenorBeef]

@El_Kabong

You really should be ashamed of yourself for that weak-ass pseudo-argument. Get some rest, dude; you’re just phoning it in.

I actually think, given the circumstances, it’s pretty good. I mean - what else can you possibly say? Supporting the argument that “second amendment solutions” is a metaphor is so absurd that he painted himself into a corner, and that’s as good an attempt to bullshit his way out of it as any.

The tragedy in all this is that he feels compelled to make this much of a stretch instead of just saying “yeah, ok, I got nothing here” and concede the point.

[Peeta_Mellark]

@Bricker

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to permit the people to defend themselves against government tyranny. So metaphorically, invoking the Second Amendment is a call to resist government tyranny – not by firearms, but by citizen involvement and solidarity.

And how does this “metaphorical” invocation to resist government tyranny apply when it’s being suggested as a response to a popular vote of the people on their choice of representation?

Because it’s being invoked against the exact opposite of tyranny.

[Capitaine_Zombie]

@Bricker

The purpose of the Second Amendment is to permit the people to defend themselves against government tyranny. So metaphorically, invoking the Second Amendment is a call to resist government tyranny – not by firearms, but by citizen involvement and solidarity.

God knows America would be a better country if that was how the Second Amendment had been interpreted in your country, instead of being a refuge for morons who cant hold their own in a debate, and think they can always whip out their guns when they “lose it”.

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Malthus

Ah … about that article …

It’s a good one, ain’t it?

[joebuck20]

@elucidator

Has anyone wandered over to the Freeper asylum, see how they’re…ah…responding? I would, but I’m on a strict regimen of mental hygiene…

But we usually have some volunteers here.

I haven’t been over to Free Republic, but here’s some of the things Limbaugh had to say today. The bit about heavy metal was a nice touch:

LOUGHNER IS A LONE NUT. Even “the Obama government” – the FBI – calls Loughner a “deranged, insular irrational kid” who acted alone, Limbaugh said. “The kid was evil. He was into the occult. He had an altar with a skull in his yard. Was God in his life? He was stalking the congresswoman.”

HEAVY METAL. “The guy listened to heavy metal, and some of that anarchist stuff. We’re dealing with an insane individual.”

DIDN’T WATCH FOX. “There is no evidence that he listened to talk radio. There is no evidence he listened to Fox News. There is no evidence that he saw Sarah Palin’s Facebook page. No evidence he saw her lame website with the crosshairs.”

BLAME THE PARENTS. “Where are the parents? Are they derelicts? He was so devoted to marijuana he wanted to make it the new U.S. currency. Did anyone try to institutionalize him?”

Probably the best we could expect from Limbaugh. In all honesty, I was half-expecting him to find some way to pin this on Obama.

Rush Bails Water

[Bricker]

@Capitaine_Zombie

God knows America would be a better country if that was how the Second Amendment had been interpreted in your country, instead of being a refuge for morons who cant hold their own in a debate, and think they can always whip out their guns when they “lose it”.

That’s simply not true.

Although it is amusing, considering that in one breath you both condemn those who “cant [sic] hold their own in a debate,” and at the same time provide an unsupported gratuitous assertion in your own effort to hold up a debate.

[El_Kabong]

@SenorBeef

I actually think, given the circumstances, it’s pretty good. I mean - what else can you possibly say?

“I’ll concede the point”?

But of course, I’m being silly: anyone who ever says that, their giant Internet dick instantly falls off.

[Bricker]

@El_Kabong

You really should be ashamed of yourself for that weak-ass pseudo-argument. Get some rest, dude; you’re just phoning it in.

This is not a rebuttal.

[Bricker]

@SenorBeef

That’s pretty good, actually. I mean, you took an impossible situation to defend and actually made it sound half decent.

Of course it’s still silly. But I’m just curious - you’re aware of how much you’re stretching it, right? I mean - this is sort of a challenge for you, fielding all comers… You don’t actually believe what you just said to be truthful and realistic, right?

I certainly don’t believe that Ms. Angle was exhorting her listeners to murder opposing politicians with firearms.

It’s extraordinary that shit your guy says is no problem, because it’s “metaphorical,” but shit my guy says is literal incitement to murderous violence.

And I’M the one stretching it?!?