All acey does is post clickbait news stories to events that either haven’t been proven or have very little facts. He gets all outraged over what he thinks happened (even with no facts to back it up), he digs his heels in the ground and doesn’t listen to a thing anyone says, and then when finally the actual facts in the case come out and show him to be completely wrong, he’s all “golly gee shucks that is a bad thing” but never acknowledges that he was wrong.
I think he’s talking about things more along the lines of:
Body of woman, 25, stolen from casket in broad daylight in Texas
UK woman demands refund for daughter’s cake. See OP for the reason.
Audacity is more than software
Kids solved this puzzle in seconds. Can you figure it out?
Things you Didn’t Know about Doritos.
Designer Vaginas - why is this there any consumer interest or demand?
Women reach Kurdish controlled territory and rip off their abayas.
Waffle House Employee filmed masturbating in booth.
6 Things You Learn Getting Paid To Troll People Online
New neighbor from hell.
How Taking a Photograph of Old Faithful This Summer Could Land You in Jail
AFP News ridiculous spelling blunder. .
And that’s just the threads you’ve started; I’m not going to search through all your posts and find out when you linked in random stuff in the middle of a thread.
This thread was created too discuss the beating of a man at Whole Foods. It’s yet another example of either police or private security using extreme violence. I invite anyone interested in the topic to participate. There’s been several similar threads on the board in the past few months. I’m not sure if there’s still any interest in this type of violence or not, but I thought it was worth informing people.
There’s still no word on the victim’s condition. Hopefully no news is good news. That it’s not too serious. But that’s still to be determined.
The Sf weekly article has a few updates. Not much is happening over the holiday weekend. The security guard has been suspended. Perhaps there will be updates Tues or Wed after people get back to work.
Does anyone have any specific information on the powers of Security Guards in California? I would assume they are limited compared to police. I haven’t found anything specific about what security guards can and can’t do, specifically in California.
I know in general they can detain people for arrest by police. Shoplifters would be one example. Realistically, they have to use some force to effectively protect the property and interests of their employer. But how much force? When are they required to back off and wait for police? What kind of liability do they have compared to police?
Their presence is growing. I see the marked Walmart security cars buzzing around their parking lot every time I shop. Cameras are everywhere in the parking lot, stores, etc.
Well, you did introduce the EBT issue by using about 40% of the OP to discuss EBT as well as provide a link to a web page to show that Whole Foods takes food stamps. So, you can’t call that issue a hijack.
The video in the Daily News story that you linked to in the OP reported that the man was in stable condition. (This is the same video with the “suburban” woman that you commented on earlier.)
The Daily News story that you linked to in the OP said that the security guard has been “permanently removed,” not suspended.
ace, I’m not going to go so far as other who say you should stop posting these threads about sensational news events. But when you do, can I suggest that you pay closer attention to what you posted? I mean, you started a thread with a title, “Security beats man at Whole Foods over EBT card,” and a day later you’re sort of chiding people for responding that the title that you gave this thread is highly misleading if not outright incorrect.
Whole Foods says in their statement that the guard was suspended. The News says fired. <shrug> Maybe the Whole Foods statement is already out of date? Hopefully we’ll see criminally charged in the news very soon. But that’s up to the cops and DA.
Yes, I regret focusing too much on the EBT angle of the story. I didn’t realize it would derail the thread to such an extant. I made an assumption about the situation in the store based on my personal experiences. I’ve been in line several times when upset customers argued over EBT or WIC purchases with the cashier. But as people here so swiftly pointed out, there’s no absolute, complete, total proof that’s what happened in the Whole Foods case. The news just hasn’t reported yet exactly what the argument was over.
Whole Food’s updated statement is quite interesting. I’m not entirely sure how security can do their job without *some *use of force. But I much rather see them use none then use too much. Caution is always better than over reacting.
Something good might come out of this incident yet.
That doesn’t prove what happened beyond the fact that Whole Foods doesn’t like having protestors in front of their store. Several articles have stated that the local police are investigating and presumably have the video. As far as I can tell there has been no arrest at this point.
interceded when the customer made physical contact with a team member
Not that I think security guards have a right to beat shoppers, because they don’t, but this Whole Foods is a store that “have experienced violence that includes our team members being robbed at gunpoint or physically assaulted outside the store” according to the SF Chronicle.
EBT card dispute is getting out of hand, customer grabs cashier, security guard goes way overboard in putting an end to it.
The story is thin on details; but once you put your hands on someone, you started a physical altercation. Sympathy level for the one who started it isn’t very high.
I’ve been waiting for the story to unfold. One witness has already established that the incident began over a EBT purchase. What still hasn’t been reported is what escalated the situation. What the victim said or did that set off the security guard.
The best witness would be the cashier. But that’s a Whole Foods employee. I don’t expect any public statements. That person knows who signs their paychecks.
I can’t recall a case with such a complete lack of details. No names reported at all. We wouldn’t even know this incident happened if one customer hadn’t stepped forward on social media.
I’m beginning to suspect the entire mess will be privately settled and swept under the rug. Nothing else will get reported. But, there’s always a slim chance something will break in the next few days.
If the security guard is arrested and charged won’t that create a public record for the case? Maybe then the reporters can use FOIA to get the details.
Actually only the diapers can’t be purchased with SNAP benefits; infant formula and are just about any cold food item meant for human consumption (you can also buy the seeds of food bearing plants). You can’t buy things like hot food*, vitamins, or medicines.
I worked retail for years, and was almost completely indifferent to what people were buying unless it didn’t ring up right, or was flagged with some kind of restriction. That being said part of me did want to laugh when a really obnoxious customer threw a temper tantrum over having to spend their own money on an ineligible EBT or WIC item since those were one of the few situations when a manger couldn’t just swoop in and indulge them. And before anyone says anything I felt the exact same way when customers threw tantrums over their bank declining their credit/debit cards or checks.
*Granted this could get really arbitrary. Eg the rotisserie chickens under the warmer were not allowed, the same chickens marked down the next day and put in the deli cooler were allowed. Or when I worked at a convenience store if a customer got something like a Hot Pocket and wanted to pay w/ EBT they had to do if before putting in the microwave, if they microwaved in first I was required to throw it away and make them get another out of the cooler before ringing them up. :rolleyes: I’m so glad I’ve long since moved on from there.
Yes, you’re right about the formula, but I had to look it up. We don’t sell formula at my store so it’s never been an issue. I just saw diapers and formula…and my mind said ‘oh, those are WIC things’.
On Sunday’s we sell hot ham and rolls. Our food stamp customers have to ask for ‘cold ham’. Same ham, same rolls, same price, huge PITA for the employees who have to go to the cooler, open up a new ham, slice a pound off of that, wrap it up, put it back in the cooler and then remember to heat it next.
I’ve thought about calling our local/regional SNAP office to see if I can sell them the hot ham since the ‘hot foods’ rule isn’t really directed at that, it’s meant to keep people from using their SNAP money at restaurants.
New developments. I’m pleasantly surprised at Whole Food’s response to this incident. They’re making some important policy changes. But, apparently only in California? I guess nothing changes at their stores nationwide?
I bolded a statement from the director of American Guard Services of Concord. The new security company that Whole Foods hired. Its a good point that security shouldn’t be intimidating or scary. There’s been times I’ve felt uncomfortable in retail stores with armed guards. I’m not sure why, but I do feel intimidated by their presence. Like I’m not welcome in the store. http://www.ktvu.com/news/17220353-story
