Wrong too, it is not just me saying it.
Your statement also ignores that there were even Chinese groups specifically in favor Affirmative Actions since the 60s. Before that, anti-discrimination was the usual way it was named.
Yes, that’s exactly what i want. A bloody civil war just to stop policies I disagree with but don’t really affect my life.
But to your point about things changing, I agree and right now AA is legal and I think that will change. And once it changes I don’t see how it changes back to where it is right now.
From your lips to god’s ears.
All it would take is a change in mentality and culture but it’s a lot easier said than done.
So this is another opinion peice. I can go through it point by point if you tell me it would actually make a difference and not simply result in you digging up another opinion piece by someone else.
I think this is incorrect. Unlike the Stuyvesant example where asians are the poorest group in the district, asians in fairfax are not poor (they make less than whites, they make more than blacks and hispanics).
If FCPS really wanted to increase the black hispanic/population, they might try using income, a non-offensive easier to swallow form of preference. But then you would be putting white kids at a disadvantage and AA rarely imposes the greatest burden on white kids.
What I wrote is correct. Your interpretation is not. The sentence I quoted and responded to is not about Asians.
Per The Demographic Statistical Atlas of the United States - Statistical Atlas the 20th percentile of household income in Fairfax is $54K and less than 10% make under $30K. This doesn’t at all square with the income qualifications for free and reduced lunch here https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2019-03-20/pdf/2019-05183.pdf unless there is a truly enormous skew in which every single household making under $30K also has six children in it and no one with a higher income has any kids in public schools. I don’t really have any explanation for this but I think the point stands that “most people in Fairfax” would be upper middle class elsewhere - $54K in rural Kansas is a comfortable lifestyle and that’s 80% of the county.
Your opinion.
Yeah, you can counter with opinions alright, but the reality is that the Attorney General in Virginia and the ones making the changes in the schools show that your opinions so far are not being taken seriously.
One thing that everyone else should notice about the Vox article is that, as pointed before, your side is trying to eliminate even already weakened AA efforts. Groups like the Chinese for Affirmative Action, while opposed to quotas; have come to realize that the weakened version of AA used in many of the learning institutions of today, that you complain about it, have a reason to exist.
True or false: If this were just about reserving a few more spots for blacks at TJ and didn’t come part and parcel with blowing up the entire merit-based admissions process to swap out hundreds of Asians for whites, no one outside of a few Republican diehards would care.
I don’t think we disagree. I was sort of agreeing with your post. Very opaque wording on my part. I was saying that they would probably be able to get more black and hispanic students by giving a preference to low income kids.
While this is true, it is not true of the black and hispanic kids.
If you use free and reduced lunch as a proxy for lower income, the race of free/reduced lunch kids is not spread evenly across races in fairfax.
The county has about 31% on free/reduced lunch. TJHSST is less than 5% free/reduced lunch.
This is not stuyvesant where 40% of the students have free/reduced lunch or even lowelll where 30% are on free/reduced lunch.
I actually don’t understand why a quota system is not acceptable when the federal government uses minority set-asides in federal contracting. It’s a small set-aside (like 10% or something) but I would be OK with a race blind process that had a 10% set-aside.
The biggest problem I have with reinstating race conscious admissions in california is that after prop 209 was passed, the largest drop in admissions at Berkeely and UCLA was among white students. There were only 250 black students per class at berkeley and that dropped 50%. But that’s only ~100 kids. The number of white admits dropped a much smaller fraction but accounted for several hundred kids.
The berkeley admissions office had been inadvertently (assuming they were not actively trying to admit white kids based on race) admitting more white kids.
Overall, the elimination of prop 209 didn’t really have a large effect on the overall minority population in the UC/CSU system. What it mostly affected was where within the system they were going to school. The race blind admissions led to better matching, which led to higher graduation rates and more importantly a high percentage of URM kids on the deans list. One benefit is that the other students didn’t constantly see the URM students filling out the bottom of the grading curve. But more importantly the URM kids didn’t constantly see URm kids filling out the bottom of the grading curve.
Which is correct, but not what you wrote; “most” is not “almost everyone.” But it doesn’t matter because I wasn’t even contradicting that. I was instead pointing out that a few stats about the overall population are not necessarily reflective of the enrolled population. Which, again, doesn’t change any of the points you went on to make.
Keep in mind that most households in Fairfax don’t even have kids enrolled in FCPS.
And I’ll note that while FCPS has ~30% receiving free or reduced lunch, TJ has ~2%.
Groups like Chinese for Affirmative Action support quotas. They support caps on asians at magnet schools.
The people running the schools in Fairfax are at this point in an open war with parents - will the schools be devoted to indoctrination with critical race theory horseshit and move away from any sort of accountability for educational outcomes? Or will the achievements they have made in actually teaching math, science, and humanities be preserved? Those who oppose the school board and its allies in the faculty are subject to the most obscene and unprofessional name-calling and exclusion. This isn’t just unbecoming of government officials, it is in many cases in violation of open meetings laws.
Are these the sort of ‘antiracists’ who want PoC to shut up so white people can explain what is best for them?
Noone is so certain of their virtue and the infallibility of their opinions on racial justice as white people. The fact that white people think that they have attained some sort of moral high ground by sacrificing asians for the benefits of mostly white kids and some black hispanic kids while chastising asians for not being happy about it is an astounding display of privilege.
I think this might be in response to the lawsuit. Creating an entirely discretionary admission system is not an improvement over a random admission method. It might be much worse as it allows for all the abuses we see in places like harvard. All of a sudden the children of fairfax politicians and influential people will get in at much higher rates than their objective measures of academic merit would indicate.
That’s a bingo.
Once you start seeing words such as “holistic” and “well-rounded” you know it’s quota time. As the saying goes among Asians trying to get into Harvard, the only thing they actually want to be well-rounded is your eyes.
During a Monday virtual meeting, the school system’s Chief Operating Officer Marty Smith said if the lottery system was chosen, students wouldn’t be made aware of how they got admitted.
“We wouldn’t let a student know ‘you were chosen in the first 100, and the others were chosen by lottery,'” Smith said. “Students would just get a letter of invitation to TJ.”
Hmmmm. How many students have a 3.5 or higher GPA? Is it gonna be really really obvious who got in on merit and who by lottery?
In both scenarios, eighth-graders would need to have a 3.5 grade-point average, write a math or science problem-solving essay, and submit a “student portrait sheet,” which details extracurricular activities and the student’s achievements.
Sounds like it’ll favour students whose parents can afford extracurriculars and provide no accountability over the admission process.
Holistic is just another way of saying “I’d like to just pick who gets in without being accountable to an objective standard”
It doesn’t have to be a multiple choice exam, it can in fact be an essay exam. It just has to be anonymous. The imperial exams were always essay exams but they have to be grades blind. The highest level of the imperial exam had the student’s answers transcribed by third parties so that the handwriting and calligraphy could not give away the student’s identity. Anonymity of the process is very important to its legitimacy.
If they want to correct for socio economic class, they could simply have a quota for kids on free/reduced lunch. You simply end up replacing some affluent white kids with poor asian kids and that serves no useful societal purpose. If you want more black/hispanic kids, you can either do the generational work of improving their education or you can impose quotas.
90% of applicants have a 3.5 GPA or better. About 20-30% of the school system have a 3.5 or better. It’s not a particularly exacting standard.
That’s what happened the last time they went holistic. They ended up with a whiter, richer, stupider entering class.
I wonder how many teachers at TJ (assuming there isn’t an exodus after this year over the changing mission of the school) are willing to hold the line and let the unqualified entrants fail instead of lowering the school’s standards. The caterwauling over how it’s just not faaiiirrrrr to expect people, who fought tooth and nail to change the system so that they could get into an elite math and science school, to be able to keep up with an advanced course in math and science, and the pressure to massage grades and slow down the courses to make the school board’s decision look less awful is going to be immense.
That’s a lot. Top 20-30% is a long, long way from best in the country standard.
I don’t see the point of that. Just accept it’s a different school now, and most pupils won’t be ready for really advanced courses.
It’s High School! What really advanced classes are happening at TJ that would have to change? The only thing I can think of is advanced science and math, but those are always self-selected anyway, even at regular run of the mill general population high schools. (What I mean is not everyone is going to take advanced math anyway)
A GPA criterion is pretty much the BEST criterion to make sure the admits have what it takes to perform in a classroom setting. A full application is where you get into fuzzy stuff like ‘sports’ and ‘activities’ which while arguably important, have nothing to contribute to ‘advanced courses’.