Self righteous, hypocritical Christians...go figure...

[pythonzzz]

oops, wrong spot

[Antinor01]

@Ca3799

There is no ‘welfare’ as some sling the word around anymore, thanks to changes Clinton made. The longest a person can get benefits is 5 years and recipients are required to work toward being self sustaining during that time through education and/or job training programs.

A family of 4 can expect about $900.00 in TANF (Temporary Aid to Needy Families) and an additional $500.00 in Food Stamps. A single person can get $300.00 and $200.00. The amounts are adjusted based on regional factors, and each of the several programs available must be applied for and approved separately.

TANF money can be spent however the head of household see fit. It comes in the form a check.

Food Stamps come in the form of a debit card and can mostly be spent as the user desires with some exceptions such as no beer or wine, soap, toilet paper, tylenol or vitamins. You can buy tomato plants, though!

There is also available a child care credit for day care while the head of household is in a job training program and some other bits of assistance such as help with utility and medical bills and job training. This is in the form of vouchers, not cash.

But there aren’t large groups of people sitting in their slums churning out babies for an additional $80.00 a month.

$80.00 would not cover the cost of formula and diapers for this poorly thought out plan.

Lots of info here: http://www.welfareinfo.org/

I’m glad to hear it changed. The people I knew that were gaming the system were pre 1996 and this current system sounds like it works better.

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Hypocrisy is certainly not the sole demense of Christianity. It’s everywhere.

[devilsknew]

It’s all getting back to her. The Money spends to liveliehoods. Some more than others… but I suppose she sees the acquisition of money by corporations as “honest”. Who’s fuckin’ who?

[Malacandra]

@Measure_for_Measure

The Gospels are full of red letter statements regarding hypocrisy, the dignity of the downtrodden and the mandate to love your neighbor. Not so much about abortion and homosexuality.

Yeah, I’m not seeing much in them about exposing unwanted babies on mountainsides, or buggering children either. I guess that means Jesus was cool with both of them, and we should be too.

[Measure_for_Measure]

@Malacandra

Yeah, I’m not seeing much in them about exposing unwanted babies on mountainsides, or buggering children either. I guess that means Jesus was cool with both of them, and we should be too.

I don’t see Fundamentalists going on and on about either of those 2. Nor are those examples morally unclear or victimless crimes.

Still, if you are arguing that the Bible isn’t especially comprehensive with regards to morality, I’m not prepared to disagree. Leviticus for example is both highly detailed and rather incomplete.

[Malacandra]

I didn’t see anyone in this thread going on and on about abortion or homosexuality until you found it necessary to chime in.

Still, they’re neglected subjects hereabouts and I suppose there comes a time when a responsible citizen just has to take the bull by the horns and address them.

[FriarTed]

@Measure_for_Measure

I don’t see Fundamentalists going on and on about either of those 2. Nor are those examples morally unclear or victimless crimes.

Well, those two aren’t issues anymore, but to many in Greco-Roman society, they were perfectly acceptable practices until those pesky Christians started yelling.

[Malacandra]

@FriarTed

Well, those two aren’t issues anymore, but to many in Greco-Roman society, they were perfectly acceptable practices until those pesky Christians started yelling.

You may be right, but the point I was after making was less ambitious: to show that “The Gospels don’t say anything about it, therefore Jesus was obviously cool with it” isn’t an argument that stands up for very long.

Opponents of abortion certainly don’t consider it victimless, of course; even some abortion rights advocates concede the existence of a victim - they just consider that the foetus’s victimhood doesn’t void the woman’s right. (Those who thought it OK to expose unwanted infants undoubtedly had much the same view.)

Better to meander further off the subject and diss on Leviticus, then. It’s safer ground and there’ll be plenty of allies to be found there.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

I must have missed something here

@newcrasher

Her comment was, “I once heard one welfare mother tell the other she would get $80 more a month if she had another baby.” That was it. That was her contribution to the discussion.

She made a single observation, with no attending analysis or judgment, and on the basis of that you flipped out?

Someone needs to get laid.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@ivn1188

Your post has been reported; we are dispatching a squad of homosexual athiests to counsel you.

Your joke is lame for that reason, too.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

I must have missed something here

She made a single observation, with no attending analysis or judgment, and on the basis of that you flipped out?

Someone needs to get laid.

Judging by the rest of the OP, and the OPer’s further comments, this woman is known to him/her for wallowing in the implied judgment.

[Malacandra]

Multi-quote: learn it, love it, live it.

[ivn1188]

@ivn1188

Your post has been reported; we are dispatching a squad of homosexual athiests to counsel you.

(Bolding EddyTeddyFreddy)

@EddyTeddyFreddy

Your joke is lame for that reason, too.

Uh… “too” implies that there is another reason. Since you didn’t actually give ANY reasons (unless you are calling me out for a typo, in which case I congratulate you on your perceptiveness and back away slowly), the use of “too” here doesn’t actually work.

[mswas]

@EddyTeddyFreddy

Your joke is lame for that reason, too.

I LOL’d.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@mswas

I LOL’d.

Ha! Well, but you got it, unlike the target of the jape.

[Clothahump]

@newcrasher

First off, I am a follower of Jesus, to the best of my ability.
…
Don’t you realize that as the wealthy on this planet, God will judge us by how we used the resources he provided? He has explicitly asked us to care for the poor over and over. When we dine in splendor, while His children starve, don’t you fear His judgement?

Please post proof of the existence of a god of any kind. Thank you.

[MeanOldLady]

@Clothahump

Please post proof of the existence of a god of any kind. Thank you.

Don’t start this. His point is this person believes in a god (fictional or not) who wants people to care for the poor, and yet she has nothing but apparent disdain for them. This makes said person full o’ shit, which is why he doesn’t care for her.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@EddyTeddyFreddy

Judging by the rest of the OP, and the OPer’s further comments, this woman is known to him/her for wallowing in the implied judgment.

I got that, but does that really necessitate a pitting? There are “Christians” saying goofy/douchey things all over the place- why bother ranting about one who just implies goofy/douchey things?

[newcrasher]

@Clothahump

Please post proof of the existence of a god of any kind. Thank you.

Why?