I rest my case. Your professed respect for military service is completely phony. You don’t give a crap about McCain’s service.
Whatever you say, Kreskin. Sorry that you can’t distinguish between wearing the uniform and wearing it honorably. But I am not surprised. I commend you on living up to your usual abilities of analysis.
I have worn the uniform. Have you?
Unbelievable. I shower you with another commendation. :rolleyes:
This seems like a good time and place to put a link to this little ditty that I heard on the radio today. If you’re not too busy pissing that is.
magellan, what planet are you on? Seriously. Where the hell do you get off denigrating Kerry’s service like that? Where the hell do you get off denigrating Dio’s service like that? Who made you the judge of what things are worthy of respect and honor?
Not a person here has suggested that McCain doesn’t deserve honor for his service during the Viet Nam War. Not a person here has suggested that McCain hadn’t served honorably for some years in the Senate. We simply argue the downright undeniable - that the McCain of today is rather different from the McCain of 2000 and earlier.
But you, you son of a disgruntled mole and an aardvark. I exhale vehemently upon the armpit of your plumber’s second cousin!
Its quite simple, really. A genuine American veteran doesn’t disrespect America by questioning the war. Whichever war. Kerry wasn’t a real American veteran because he led that contingent of phony veterans called the Viet Nam Veterans Against The War. Sure, they signed up, they went, some of them got pieces blown off, but they weren’t real Americans, therefore they can’t be real American veterans.
The instant they start pounding the drums, a real American throws his critical thinking faculties straight into the nearest dumpster. George Patton was a real American, he said real Americans love war. Case closed.
Easy, Tiger. I have not commented one way or another on Dio’s service. So, please engage brain before typing. He might have been a goldbricking scumbag or a genuine hero. Barring any information to the contrary I simply assume someone’s service to be of the honorable variety. His included. Which is not the case with the Purple Heart scavenger. My "commendation’ to him was for his usually weak thinking. First, for telling me what I think, and then for thinking that his wearing the uniform matters in this discussion.
As far as McCain, I appreciated your thoughtful post. I do think it fair that someone who liked him in 2000 might not like him now. That they might find his stances on the issues that face us today unacceptable. But to equate that to some fundamental failing on his part goes too far.
Who’s asking for a commendation? I’m just wondering where you get the authority to declare who has or has not served honorably, especially when they’ve served in combat. From where I’m sitting, your alleged respect for the uniform is completely phony. You either respect combat vets or you don’t. You don’t just invoke it when it’s covenient to you politically. Your sliming of John Kerry is a de facto sliming of all combat vets.
ETA just in case there’s any misunderstanding, I am definitely NOT a combat vet. There weren’t any wars while I was in. I just know better than to go around mouthing off about who did or did not serve honorably in shit I never got close to.
Another commendation for you! Do you actually believe this? You simply can’t be that, uh…anti-genius. If you believe this then you believe that whenever you’ve been pitted ALL dopers have been pitted. :rolleyes:
First of all, that’s Tigress to you, bub! 
And I believe that my brain and I remain on good terms and agreed on a marriage at all times, hence engaged.
Second, on what besides the Swiftboaters do you base the idea that Kerry was, as you so eloquently put it, a Purple Heart scavenger?
Third, I think Dio’s having worn the uniform does have some relevance to his judgment of military honor.
Fourth, and perhaps most important to this thread, the fact that McCain has done a virtual 180 degree turnaround in a number of his positions for the obvious reason of wanting to get the Republican nomination, while understandable, is to some of us indeed indicative of a fundamental failing on his part, especially as we believe that he would, for the most part, be forced to maintain those positions for the duration of at least a first term. To many of us, this stains his honor. It can never eliminate it; his history remains untouched. But what he has done in the past does not change what he is doing in the present or what he appears to be likely to do in the future.
Yes, I actually believe this. You are in no moral position to decide who has or has not served honorably in a war you did not participate in. The fact that you would even try to make those judgements is an insult to all vets.
Amazing, even for you: you believe that if someone pits you that they are pitting All Dopers.
Stunning. Completely and utterly ridiculous, and stunning.
We are in a positition to evaluate someone’s posts and decide if an individual deserves pitting. You are in no position to review anybody’s service in Vietnam. The irony is that you would probably have a fit if anyone here started trying to critique the individual service records of military personel serving in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I ask again, magellan, on what besides the Swiftboaters do you base the idea that Kerry was a Purple Heart scavenger?
We know the answer to that. He’s a Democrat.
And you’d be—SURPRISE!—wrong. And while I might not be the person to evaluate someone’s service in a war forty years ago that I did not see, the people who were there are. His commanders are. They are free to share their thoughts and observations. I m free to evaluate them. You do realize how the study of history works, don’t you. Wait, no need to answer that.
And I’m free to evaluate what the media has preserved of his actions after his Great Escape from combat.
But wait, I say bad things about John F’in Kerry I therefore disparage all military men who have ever served; I disparage all people ever to have hail from Massachusetts; I disparage all mighty windsurfers and bunny-suit wearers, all males, all of the human race!!! All organic matter, too! :rolleyes:
Wait a minute. Are you saying that Kerry’s service was dishonorable because he protested the war after he returned?
On the totality of information that I have. On the book that revealed him for what he is. And numerous interviews with them and others, Kerry included, that revealed him for what his is. On the lies he’s been caught in. On the fact he’s never released his full military medical records as he said he would.
I’m curious, have you read Unfit for Command?
I heard a report on NPR that the GOP was having a hard time finding 527s to do their work this time around, because nobody wanted to take the blame for escalating against Obama. The fear was that after any attack on Obama, McCain would have to strongly disavow the guilty party, and then any names tied to that attack would be persona non grata in DC if McCain lost, especially if there was a perception that “going negative” had caused him to blow a close race.