Sending particles back in time - what are this guy's chance?

The other day I saw a documentary on TV about time travel. It was on Discovery or TLC (I know, I know) or some such.

Anyway, they were talking about some professor who is busy trying to build a time machine, with which he hopes to send particles back in time. Normally of course this would scream “crackpot” - but apparently this guy is a respected professor of physics at some prestigious university, and his colleagues are “not laughing at him”. When they said that in the program I silently added, “at least not to his face”.

Despite Googling like crazy I’m unable to find a reference to this - grateful if anyone could supply one.

Anyway - what are his chances? Is he just a higher class of crackpot, or could he be a pioneer of time travel?
I know this borders on IMHO but I’d be interested in a scientific debunking, or even validation.

Maybe he’s just trying to detect Tachyons?

The line between genius and nutcase is often a blurry one :slight_smile:

Is there even a theory that would make time travel possible? I haven’t heard of one.

AFAIK, there is nothing that says time travel is impossible. Not quite what you were looking for but the best I’ve got.

What I want to know is how can a succesful test be verified? Whats to keep him from saying that he has sent several protons back in time, or forward more likely. It isn’t like particles have clocks on them.

All I could find about that was this page in German. You may want to check the links, though. Some of them lead to pages in English language.

How would he know if he succeeded?

AFAIK, all protons are identical…future particles look the same as present particles.

Hey, I just saw some tachyons appear out of nowhere, right next to my clam chowder. I think the experiment must have worked.

You mean it’s going to work. :smiley:

Might I point you to Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity?

As for the OP, he is probably just searching for ‘tachyons’ which, if they exist, live at speeds that exceed the speed of light.

There’s lots of theories that would travel through time, even back in time. But they usually require things like the ability to grab a wormhole or more energy than the universe contains, or negative energy.

The professor is Ronald Mallet. He’s on the Physics faculty of the University of Connecticut.

http://www.phys.uconn.edu/faculty/mallett.html

And here’s an article about his research:

http://cooltech.iafrica.com/technews/924349.htm

I also saw part of the show on the Discovery (I think) channel, and I wondered too if there was actually anything to his research. He seems to have the backing of the chairman of his department, if no one else … .

So what’s the Straight Dope? Is he a nut case or a future Nobel Prize winner?

Well, assuming that he’s not going to violate causality and rip holes in the space-time continuum, he could observe the process in action: a particle going backwards in time would be indistinguishable from its anti-particle partner going forward in time. That may sound like science fiction to some, but it’s well established.

I think most physicists will agree that it’s at least possible if not probable that time travel can happen. Reputable physicists have even come up with various solutions to general relativity equations which would theoretically allow you to travel in time. Such solutions typically involve extreme conditions like wormholes or two cosmic strings passing by one another at close to the speed of light. There’s not really any solid evidence that wormholes or cosmic strings actually exist somewhere in the real world, but the current theories don’t bar the possiblity.

At any rate, it’s not very likely that you could create any of those scenarios in a lab, but maybe he’s though up some method that have never been thought of before. Time travel research isn’t as “loony-toons” as it used to be. We travel through time constantly; the mystery is why we always travel in the direction that we do. We can even travel into the future from a relativistic standpoint (the twins “paradox”). Moreover, some particles (like electrons) may travel backwards through time all by themselves on a fairly regular basis, but we never noticed it because it looked like something else. A positron could just be an electron travelling backwards in time. CPT symmetry basically states that a right-handed electron travelling backwards through time will look just like a left-handed positron travelling forward through time.

Sometimes you’ll see a photon apparently decay spontaneously into a positron and an electron. The electron flies off in one direction and the position goes in the opposite direction. The positron annihilates with an electron that coincidentally was traveling close to the original photon. When they annihilate, a new photon is emitted. But a simpler explanation (in the sense that less particles are involved) is that an electron spontaneously emitted a photon, then zips backwards in time to catch an incoming photon to “pay the debt”, so to speak. I wish I had a decent diagram to go along with that. The best I could come up with in a few minutes of googling was this: http://www.frerichs.net/feyn.html

So whoever you’re referring to might not be crazy, but they could still be chasing after a slim-to-none chance. Without knowing more about what they’re trying to do, it’s hard to say.

I remember reading about it in a magazine a couple years ago. The idea is if you slow light down to a near crawl, so slow you could out walk it. Then make this slow light go around a circle acourding to relativity it will distort space so bad length and time get sort of switched, I think, so one can just walk around the circle and walk back in time. However you can only walk back in time to the point in time the device was turned on. The expirment to test the theory was they were going to try doing this to a proton. if it works the proton would wiggle, and if they apply enough power it might double as it’s future version would come for a visit.

Here is usa today article about it http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/wonderquest/2001-06-20-time-travel.htm

I have been meaning to ask a GQ about this my self. Does anyone know how this turned out? I was under the impresion if it did not work something was wrong with relativity.

I have a theory on Time Travel that if it was possible, we’d know. Someone from the future would have told us about it and how to do it. Since this hasn’t happened, I don’t believe time travel will ever happen.

just my $.02

What the hell do you think UFOs are? Knowing human nature, if there was a magic machine that let them folks travel time and see all the wonders of the universe, there’d be at least one psycho who would go back to the past to put probes up peoples’ butts. :slight_smile:

(Seriously: a number of UFO nuts have proposed that they are human time travellers. )

In the case of thise time travel device. travel would only be possible while it was running. no known visitors yet becouse we have not built one yet.

Something that either I’m not getting or lots of other folks aren’t getting:

Time is a dimension, yes? We (our consciousness) moves through it in a linear, unidirectional fashion, which is why we experience “is” as “does” – i.e., the “state of what exists at x, y, z parameter such-andc-such when t = whatever” is perceived by us as part of a continuum of action.

But in order to conceptualize time more like space, as a dimention through which something can move (whether it be tachyon or H. G. Wells), we have to suspend our normative conceptualization of time as “things happening from moment to moment”, don’t we? In other words, if H. W. Wells travels backwards in time one year, he is “at” the temporal location marked at one year ago, and at that temporal location he is (“was”) in such-and-such a location, the molecules of his body were here and there and like so and so forth, and the thoughts in his mind (and the neurons and impulses by which they are physically manifest) are (“were”) this and that and so on – in other words, he would not know he had time-traveled, would not know he will (“had”?) at some future point sit in a time machine and set it to take him back one year.

I mean, on a two-dimensional graph, where the y axis is, I dunno, rainfall in inches, and the x axis is elevation above sea level, I can move my eye from the data that is “at” the 7,000 feet > sea level coordinate – I can glance “back” at the 1,300 feet > sea level coordinate. But when I do, I find myself looking at the data points that correspond to the new coordinate. That’s what’s there. Now, that’s me doing the glancing and the looking. The rainfall levels that exist at the 7,000 foot level aren’t themselves glancing back or “going to” the 1,300 level. If this were some kind of animated cartoon, we could imagine them doing so. But the “doing so”, the verb, the “move”, is itself an artifact of a dimension not represented on the sheet of paper: time. So on our four-dimensional graph called “reality”, there is no “glance”, there is no “move”, there is only “what, in each of the unspecified dimensions, corresponds to a specified value in one or more specified dimension”.

Otherwise – i.e., if H. G. Wells gets to go back one year and “be” in last year but in this year’s body and thinking (and remembering) this year’s thoughts, and occupying space other than the exact coordinates that H. G. Wells occupied “last year the firs time 'round”, how the heck is this truly “last year” --?? Things are different! It’s a different …different “then”? Different “reality”? However you want to express it, it isn’t “last year” as it was.

With subatomic particles, the same applies – “going backwards in time” is just a convenient mathematical way of expressing the idea that the motion and changes of things as “you” move along the time axis are mirror-image to the patterns expressed by their opposites.

Another problem with using this kind of device for communication back in time would be that, according to many theories of the universe, any information sent back in time would end up in a different parallel universe.

This is a quantum-mechanical sleight of hand that prevents the well-known time travel paradoxes from occuring. Any particle observed in his experiment that appears to have come back in time would actually be from a parallel world to ours, meaning we could draw no absolute inference from its appearence. The device would likely exhibit particles appearing when none was sent, and none appearing when one was (or would be…or will have going to have been…).

Assuming it works, of course. Which it probably won’t (or hasn’t…or will have not have going to have been…erm…)

File under “Interesting But So What?”.

Mallett’s homepage has a summary of his recent research, which mentions two papers as being relevant to the claim. The first paper (a pdf) looks pretty unexceptional, being a calculation of frame-dragging for circular beams of light.
However, it’s the second paper (Foundations of Physics 33, 1307 (2003)) that’s meant to be the breakthrough. The text doesn’t appear to be available online (not even on arXiv), but the abstract is:

Which is nice, but it doesn’t shock me either. That’s “an infinitely long circulating cylinder of light”. Several such unphysical situations are already known which give rise to closed timelike loops in GR - of which Tipler’s spinning cylinder is probably one of the best known. This just looks like another example.

The snag is that, of course, we can’t generate either such cylinder.