How about making it a largely self-sustaining industry? Keep upping the prices to get in until peak profitability has been achieved.
Since most of those would be people who had gotten job offers, I’d imagine that the price would be quite high, of course. Perhaps up to $5,000-10,000. That’s fine by me.
And the smugglers will say, “I can get you in for $2500,” & we’re right back where we are now. Your (abstracted) avarice is blinding you to the realities of the situation.
There is no solution to illegal immigrants, nor have I made one. I’m saying that trying to legalize Mexicans serves no value. If we’re going to expend resources (even if it’s only people power not money) on something to do with immigration, then let’s spend it on something of value.
What purpose does it serve to try and make more Mexicans legal? Why should I care beyond bleeding heartness? We can’t save the world, and it’s not like Mexicans are more or less worthy of being saved than anyone else. Large sections of Africa could use the break for more. And it’s not like they’re having anything particularly stopping them from coming up right now. They pay a bunch of money to be beaten and raped as they come up. Cubans have a 2/3rds chance of dying to get here. This sucks for them, but ultimately it’s not like we’re asking them to do this and it’s not like they’re unaware of the cost to get here.
There is no benefit to expanding the nation with grunt laborers. We don’t want them. If they find a way in and someone wants to hire them, then good for them, but I don’t see any value to trying to make the process easier in any way. If we could block them out, that’d probably be the best for everyone.
Let me see if I understand you:
A. You think our entire nation is fit to be upper/middle class. Other nations can work for us.
B. You don’t mind having foreigners come in here as grunt labor with no legal standing, while your poor backward cousins still in the diminishing working class get upset & try to make the laws against them harsher.
Yep, you’re arguing for the present conventional wisdom & status quo. No wonder we’re talking past each other.
I figure if someone’s living & working in this country, the law needs to recognize him & protect his rights.
I think he’s saying that we already have enough grunt labor, not that none of us should be grunts.
Oh, I forgot:
C. You’re in denial about the desire for grunt labor, yet you see Mexicans as only fit for grunt labor. We don’t need grunt laborers, but the Mexicans couldn’t be here for anything else. They must be chasing a phantom demand.
So, all that agricultural land in the southern US, growing strawberries & tomatoes, is that foreign soil? Since we super-advanced white Americans with our very large brains don’t need manual labor & can outsource all that, should we cede all that agricultural land to a Spanish-speaking country? Or are we going to build robots capable of picking strawberries & tomatoes–in the next 5 years???
That kid I used to try to tutor, whose parents came up to work in la fresa, was he confused? Is rural southwest Missouri actually back in New Spain now?
Look, if you want, I would gladly take the rural southwest, southeast, Great Plains, etc., & rejoin Latin America. If most white Anglos really wanted to live in a sort of urbanized super-Singapore or some kind of robotically served North Am like in the Magnus Robot Fighter comics, we who live out in the dust could be a foreign country. But I still see a lot of working class Anglos out here in the midlands, so I think your assumptions are perhaps grounded in television space opera rather than what I stodgily call “reality.”
Nope.
I live in an agricultural region. Apparently I don’t exist to Sage Rat.
Okay, that’s weird. We can’t outsource construction or fruit picking or custodial work.
Surely you’re aware that legal goods are usually, if not always, more expensive than illegal ones. There’s a TV I want that costs about $2,100. A guy who knows a guy can get me one for a cool grand. I’m not going to buy it from him. Would you. The point is that the legal route comes with benefits the illegal one cannot deliver.
No to both of those. I’m saying that the definition of what jobs constitute what “rank” in society is transitory. The lowest class will always be the lowest class, but the jobs they can do aren’t limited to the jobs they are doing now. Eventually, running the marketing department of a megacorp might be a minimum wage job, for all I know.
The point is that trying to protect industries and low-pay jobs that are going to go away has never been a worthwhile pursuit. It’s never made a impact on the employment rate and there’s no reason to assume it ever will.
And I never said anything about nations worker for anybody, be it us or Sealand, so I’m not sure where you got that from.
Why should I mind? They’re here illegally.
But what purpose does that serve to make our country better? Why is it worth our time to do so beyond the satisfaction of “being nice”? I can spend those same resources on being nice to people who need it far more, as I said. Help Africa if you have the money and people to spare.
It should probably be noted that it’s American avarice that Mexicans are coming here to attain the freedom of.
No, it’s American purchasing power they seek.
You want to spend how much of our economy on “helping Africa”? Helping whom in Africa?