Shampoo = Bluff?

Shampoo ads drive me to the point of insanity.
Of course, however, I want to rant with a clear conscience, so I decided to check my facts.

The main problem is ads for “Vitamin enhanced” shampoos.
As I understand it, hair is made up mainly of dead cells, and therefore cannot “absorb nutrients” in the manner suggested in these ads. The fruit-wax ones I can live with, I understand that coating a hair with wax will make it shinier etc. I reckon that it doesn’t make much difference if it’s candle wax or fruit wax (within reason) but that is a different thread.

So, dopers, do vitamin enriched shampoos actually have any special properties that make them beneficial to your hair?

I know Cecil did a column about this, but an archive search doesn’t turn it up. What he said was that (1) your hair is dead already and (2) a shampoo can’t take stuff out of your hair (ie dirt) and put stuff into it at the same time.

Oooh, ruadh, I like that angle (can’t take dirt out while putting other things in). I have some new ammo to scream at the telly.
Altho, I suppose it could get the dirt out on the first lather and put the good stuff in on the second?
My granny washed her hair with Fairy Liquid for years and she had lovely hair!

Heh, you mean that “lather rinse repeat” stuff might really have some benefit to it? And there was me thinking it was just a way to get you to use up the bottle more quickly so you’d have to buy another :wink:

IIRC correctly the column stated that the shampoo took away oil, and the conditioner puts oil back in.

Hair is already dead, so it’s your scalp that counts.

I dunno, just because it’s dead doesn’t mean it can’t absorb stuff. My wooden cutting board is dead, but it sure as heck absorbs mineral oil pretty well.

That said, I doubt that absorbing vitamins will do anything. Aren’t vitamins critical for living processes? I’d figure a cell that’s dead doesn’t need vitamins for anything anymore.

Cecil didn’t say it couldn’t absorb stuff because it was dead. He said it couldn’t be made healthier because it was dead. The thing about absorbing stuff was a separate point, hence my use of the numbers (1) and (2) to distinguish them.

The biggest lie in shampoo ads is the hair of the women featured in them.

(1) They are generally women lucky enough to have been born with naturally thick, luxuriant hair

(2) Their hair is professionally coloured and styled and “bouffed” for the camera

(3) Their hair is coated with a score of shiny serums and finishing products to get the maximum shine for the lighting (which is also totally artificial and designed to enhance their hair)

Take away (1), (2) and (3) - and the special lighting - actually use the product, which is just aqua (water) and sodium laureth sulphate, and you have an ordinary woman, with ordinary though cleaner hair.

So is there any real difference between one brand of shampoo and another (specifically, between cheap and expensive shampoo), or is it all a huge scam?

Cecil’s column doesn’t seem to be online, at least not yet. It can be found in the original Straight Dope book, on page 136 or 178 depending on which edition you have.

While this is not scientific evidence - I have 3-4 different brands of shampoo in my shower right now. One of the brands is bought from the salon, at $10 a bottle. Another brand is VO-5, bought at Wal Mart for 78 cents. I can’t tell any difference in the state of my hair after using each brand. My hair is not healthier, or shinier, or anything but simply clean - after using the $10 a bottle shampoo. It is in the same state as after I use the 78 cents a bottle shampoo.

I can imagine that more expensive shampoos might be better for your hair in the long term if they contain less harsh chemicals?

I have decently long hair, about down to the bottom of my… uh… bottom. Kids with long hair have vastly different problems in this area than those with short hair. Long hair is dead stuff that has been hanging around for a long time. It can’t be repaired or made healthier, so you’ve got to keep it happy to begin with.
Expensive (salon style) shampoos and cheap, grocery store shampoos both fry my hair, if they contain either sodium laurel sulphate or sodium laureth sulphate–both detergents that strip all the goodness and leave my hair dry and frizzy. I find that the cheap shampoos do more damage, but expensive shampoos are pretty nearly as bad as the cheap ones, cheap shampoos usually consist mostly of SLS and water.
Anyway, for myself, because of the long hair issue (trying not to get too detailed here, as I’m sure most don’t care), organic shampoo is the way to go. All herbal, no detergents = happy hair.
If you have short or very short hair, it probably doesn’t make much of a difference, since the funky hair gets cut off pretty frequently anyway. The SLS may give some people wicked dandruff though, it did me.

Peace,
~mixie

I find that I generally don’t have to switch shampoos as often if I am willing to spend more than $3 a bottle. The cheaper stuff tends to give my hair an unpleasant texture after about a week. Also, the cheaper stuff tends to contain perfumes that set off my asthma, whereas the chi-chi “botanical” stuff is much easier to tolerate.

I dimly recall the early 70’s when people didn’t shampoo every day. I could use cheap stuff for maybe a month without having to switch brands.

Ivory liquid has always worked just fine for me, although it makes my hair more staticky in winter.

It is a huge scam. The only things that can be worth paying for are ultra-cleaning shampoos (like Neutrogena) that remove a lot of styling product build up. I believe natural things like cider-vinegar are also effective here. I also find ultra-cleaning shampoos useful to use every once in a while to get rid of normal shampoo build-up. Used too often or without conditioner they tend to over-strip your hair.

From experience, to get amazing looking hair, it’s better to invest on expensive styling products than expensive shampoos.

Former cosmetic formulator here.

While the shampoo market is rife with puffery, there are some critical differences between the various shampoo ingredients.

surfactants These are the detergents, the heavy lifters of cleaning. ALL shampoos contain surfactants. Shampoos are made from a wide variety of surfactants, but mainly fall into three categories: anionic, nonionic, and amphoteric.

Anionic surfactants like soap and sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) are lipid-type molecules that carry a negative charge. The lipid (fatty) molecule mixes well with grease and oil, and the negative charge allows the whole bundle to be rinsed out with water (here are also positively charged surfactants, but they’re not usually used in shampoos). Unfortunately, most anionics do this too well, and leave the hair stripped of all its natural oils, which looks and feels unpleasant.

Nonionic surfactants are not terribly effective, because they do not rinse as well as ionics, but they can be mixed with the anionics to mitigate their effects. The nonionics are usually synthetics, derived from ethylene oxide or glycols.

Amphoterics are unique in that their ionic character varies with pH. The best ones often make excellent shampoos by themselves, as they lather richly, clean well, don’t strip the hair, and don’t sting the eyes. Unfortunately, they’re really, really expensive, so only the more expensive shampoos use them in more than token amounts.

Cheap shampoos tend to be mostly SLS; as the cost goes up, the percentage of more expensive ingredients goes up too (mostly!). The most expensive shampoos tend to have the highest concentrations of the best surfactants. Unfortunately, some expensive shampoos use cheap surfactants and load up on exotic buzz-generating ingredients instead.

Conditioners Good shampoos often contain ingredients to condition the hair. Contrary to what Cecil says, you can definitely remove dirt and leave conditioners behind at the same time. It’s more effective to use conditioner separately, but the two-in-ones do work. Standalone conditioners usually rely on cationic (positively charged) surfactants. These have an affinity for the naked protein of the hair, and a small amount will stay behind after rinsing. This residue suppresses static “fly-away,” hides split ends, and coats the hair shafts, leaving them smoother-looking and shinier.

Cationic surfactants don’t mix well with the others, however, and other ingredients are used to make conditioning shampoos. Some nonionic surfactants have conditioning properties. Most conditioners are somewhat oily or waxy, and are selected because they don’t rinse off easily, even with surfactants present. Vitamins A, D, and E are lipids, and do have some conditioning properties, but using them is a marketing decision rather than a scientific one, and they do increase the cost considerably. Panthenol, or pro-vitamin B[sub]5[/sub], is an exception: it’s a water-soluble molecule that has a strong affinity for hair, and it really is very effective (glues split ends shut). Too much of it, in fact, will leave an unattractive residue on the hair.

The other ingredients in shampoos are preservatives, colors, perfumes, and various ingredients that build viscosity, opacity, and other esthetic properties. Herbal extracts, I’m sorry to say, are barely present in shampoo, and don’t do a damn thing.

The products sold in salons and high-end department stores have a price structure of their very own, and the markups are enormous. Some are very good, some are terrible, and you really need to be able to read the labels knowledgably to know the difference.

The point about shampoo ads is well-taken; styling products used in these ads are not only impractical for daily use (shine spray is almost pure dimethicone, and makes the hair really oily), but their effects often last for less than an hour.

The two bottles of shampoo in my shower read, respectively:

certified organic rosemary floral water, botanical infusion of organic nettle, rose hips, peppermint, thyme, yucca, witch hazel, hops, certified organic aloe vera, vertified organic tea tree oil, wildcrafted blue cypress oil, hydrolized wheat protein, hyrdrolized wheat starch, panthenol, grapefruit seed extract, pure essential oil of peppermint.

and

Infusions of organic nettle, organic chamomile and organic shavegrass in distilled water, natural clay minerals, organic tincture of wildcrafted linden flower, essential oils of organic sweet orange, organic patchouli, organic lavender, organic petitgrain, organic atlas cedar, organic cinnamon leaf, organic pine needle and organic vanilla.

Evidently at least one of them does a damn thing, heh, because they’re two of the only shampoos I’ve yet found that don’t strip my hair and don’t give me dandruff.

Peace,
~mixie