Agreed. Now, it could have been to send a message to the husband. But the reports that it was two other women who did it makes me lean more in the direction of a jealousy motive. If I was sending a message, some kind of nonpayment of debts, or picked up the wrong target, I think it would be more likely that they’d send men.
Amateur Barbarian makes a good point that its unlikely she’d be kept for two weeks in that case. But as pure speculation, if this was a spur of the moment revenge snatch, they may not have realized how much attention this would draw, and gotten into an “Oh shit” where things just got worse the longer they kept her?
Quite a few. Real life ain’t like the movies. A dead body brings the authorities onto the scene very quickly even your crooked friends on the force has to play along. And if you wanted to send a message by a Pour Encourager Les Autres, smacking would be better than killing.
And I didn’t even link to the post where astro wonders out loud why Ralston couldn’t just lift the 800 lb boulder off of himself with his one free hand while he was pinned to the ground:
My thought: Perhaps some guy kidnapped her and was holding her locked in a basement dungeon like the guy in Cleveland. Under this theory, one of the two reportedly Hispanic women is his girlfriend (and the other one her sister or a close friend), who discovered the captive Papini and was angry enough at the man to let her loose, but not so angry that she reported him to the police. The authorities are keeping mum because they’re trying to find the guy and don’t want to let on how much they know.
Yeah, but that’s not really fair. Her sister used the term first. I might describe my own sister that way because she’s a terrific mother. People are using that term to ridicule Papini, but it’s hardly her fault.
I’m not assigning any blame - just pointing out that you can find her story updates by searching news for “supermom” as easily as her name. The media has anointed her SuperMomSherryPapini, indivisibly. Sigh.
I can’t explain exactly what happened or why. I admit that the story is incredibly strange but there is real physical evidence for it. People don’t brand, bruise and torture themselves only to be found 150 miles away from home beside the road after hiding chains to get absolutely anyone to pick them them up beside the road.
Isn’t the new narrative that we are supposed to believe any physical assault or rape complaint by a woman even with no evidence until proven otherwise? She has got a lot more than that. Something happened and she didn’t do it to herself. I am ashamed of people on this board and elsewhere that doubted that she faked it somehow. The unjustifiable doubt mus be almost as painful as the crimes themselves.
I will go on record to say that it is real and everyone that claimed it wasn’t is a hypocritical asshole. Only time will tell.
I posted that I thought it was a hoax on the first page of this thread, before details of her condition were fully known. So am I a hypocritical asshole or just a regular asshole?
I’m still surprised she is alive. It’s really bizarre, but then, sometimes real life is pretty fucking strange.
There ia a long, extremely busy thread on websleuths (a board I’d never visited before.) Every night they close the thread and then re-open it the following day at random times. It’s one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen on a major message board. Like it’s a real world bar or coffee shop. Come to think of it, sort of parental: now, now, kids, don’t stay up all night talking. Get some rest, the thread will open in the morning.
Yes, they do. There are many cases where people have done “horrible” things to themselves, from the relatively trivial (scrapes and bruises, smearing themselves with shit or writing obscenities on their body with markers) to serious and permanent self-injury.
Is that the case here? We don’t know. But simply saying “people don’t do this” is false-to-fact.
I don’t really accept that Papini is so distraught and affected that she hasn’t been able to give a complete, coherent account to police yet. Look at how fast the details came out about the various children that were held for years and years of abuse and torture and sexual slavery - if they could tell their stories within the week of being found, an adult woman with far lesser abuse should be able to.
As for “hypocrites,” there’s no evidence at all yet that this was a sexual crime, which seems to be the sole category for which we have been told we’re not allowed to question victim claims or situation or whatever. No, we’re not necessarily entitled to the details until they properly become public record… but this was not a private event, the family went to great lengths to publicize it while she was missing and after she was returned (against the cops’ wishes, or at least without their advance knowledge), and they seem fine sharing endless gruesome details that support their version of the events. There’s nothing hypocritical about remaining skeptical and refusing to take the tale at face value when there’s so much evasiveness and so many fundamental questions about both the events and the family’s behavior, not to mention Papini herself.
…and if someone was lying about being abducted, why would anyone opt to tell a hard-to-believe lie like they were abducted by two women? Why not say two men grabbed you? That story would raise fewer doubts.
The tape of the highway patrol guys who found her has been released. They did, indeed, report her as “heavily battered”.
Well, gee, if I was at a rest stop and though I saw two guys holding a woman against her will I might hesitate to make a phone call where the bad guys could see me. Is that notion really that alien to you?
Maybe she was dehydrated? Having experience a similar sort of weight loss myself (due to illness) it can leave you quite weak and there are issues with re-introducing food to someone who hasn’t eaten for a couple weeks, they might have wanted to ask her if she had been fed at all. They might have checked to see if bleeding had left her anemic, or if any of her injuries were infected and if so whether or not the infection was serious. Especially in the case of burns that can be extremely important, and if she was branded that implies at least second and likely third degree burns that might need medical evaluation.
Really, it’s not puzzling that she’d be held in a hospital and thoroughly examined. Sometimes severe injuries are not immediately apparent. People who get lost on a hike and are found a week later are routinely held for a bit in a hospital for observation, why would a case like this be any different?
Cutting hair can be psychologically painful, and not just for women, either. If the goal was to cause her pain and suffering it would be an easy way to add to the distress and/or humiliation. Bruises are painful, even if they aren’t “medically serious” (although severe/extensive enough bruising can be, but that’s pretty rare). Branding someone could be medically serious, and there are areas where the resulting scarring could impair normal function permanently. I am baffled that you think only broken bones qualify as “pain and suffering” or could be the only thing that could be medically serious here.
We just don’t have enough information to really know what’s going on.
Then you should really know better.
Why on earth do you think that the “published description” of her injuries is in any way complete or sufficient to make a diagnosis?
If you encountered a young child at your place of work who was covered head to toe in bruises, had a broken nose, severe weight loss and had been branded would you deem that OK and of no concern because there were no broken bones, or would you suspect abuse and report it to the authorities? Or is it somehow OK in your mind to punch an adult, and that’s no cause for concern?
The point that is puzzling to me is that she WASN’T held at the hospital. With brands and wounds and significant weight loss, I would have expected her to be kept, not immediately sent home.
If her wounds aren’t infected, she’s not seriously dehydrated or her body chemistry otherwise out of whack, and she can eat normally there may not be a medically justified reason to keep her. If she doesn’t need an IV or significant nursing care and she’d rather be at home then I could see her being released quickly.
As I said - we just don’t have enough information to really know.
ETA I am not sure where I got the impression that she was immediately released- I am reading additional articles and it seems unclear. But I thought I had read that she was pretty much sent home immediately.