Why sure! Aren’t you aware of the hideous things that religious groups have been trying to impose on socety?..breaking the law, all kinds of shit!! 
Hey Beagle
Why not post some links to Polynesian animist groups, or some UFO cult?
About as relevant to the argument as finding out some nice liberal Christians in order to attempt to refute the fact that the movers and shakers in the anti-choice movement are the reactionary sects.
Y’know, it just occurred to me… the majority of orphanages and soup kitchens in the USA are operated by religious organizations. Ghastly! Clearly, that shows how evil orphanages and soup kitchens must be.
And what about those people who intervene in cases of child abuse? That’s really none of their business, is it? Unlike the parents, they are not personally affected, and so the final decision is not theirs to make.
And ditto for those evil, evil Northerners who campaigned against slavery – even though slavery was a distinctly Southern practice. If catsix is right, then those decisions should have been kept out of their hands; after all, it was really none of their business!
With enough smoke and mirrors, you might even convince yourselves.
So…what, you lied when you said you don’t click links “posted by strange men”?
Giggle.
Hmm “nice liberal Christians”…well that second link is about priests and others from the the Roman Catholic churches in Georgia…of course the RCC had a significant presence in plenty of other peace & justice issues in the past century (JT mentioned a few)
Guess which religious organization has the largest pro life presence in the U.S.?
Whoops! :eek:
Thanks for the affirmation!!
And so your point is that the religious right has a social agenda? That this somehow invalidates their stance on abortion?
Guess we can disregard what NARAL, Planned Parenthood and NOW say about abortion, then. After all, they have a whole social agenda of their own.
That’s interesting. Based on our discussion so far, I have no reason to back down. Besides, don’t think I haven’t noticed that your answer fails to negate the fallacy in question.
BTW, the civil rights movement was also driven by American churches. Does the name “Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.” ring a bell?
So if a cause is championed by people of a religous stripe – if this is part of their “social agenda,” as candida describes it – should we really conclude that this is an act of evil? I had no idea that Reverend King was such a vile, detestable individual.
Well, I’d rather be convinced by your arguments.
So, where IS that evidence that deformed individuals are committing suicide en masse?
Wow, you read what I, JThunder, and the others right, and completely ignore our arguments. You’re more interested in character assasination then a thoughtfull debate of the issue. It’s pretty obvious that it’s useless trying to carry on a civilized discussion with you.
The unborn child is personally affected by your decision to abort it.
Woops, and in two threads above this one
“Wow, you read what I, JThunder, and the others right…”
should be
“Wow, you read what I, JThunder, and the others write…”
Clap, clap, clap. Don’t ever turn your back on innocents who are too helpless to defend themselves.
There was a time when slaveowners wanted people to turn a blind eye to slavery. This was, after all, the easier and more attractive option to them. Thankfully, the emancipationists felt otherwise.
Beagle
RCC - you mean the Roman Catholic Church?
The Roman Catholic Church and human rights?
Wow! You mean the Roman Catholic Church of hundreds of years of murderous repression fame?
You mean the “no birth control” Roman Catholic Church?
Thunder
Do, do try to follow the argument - the point I was making about the religious right was that ‘abortion’ is just part of the ‘control of women’ aspect of the social agenda.
Of course, pro-choice people have a social agenda which you despise as much as I despise that of the religious right, I understand that.
As to the logical fallacy, from what I’ve seen of you, so far, I don’t expect you to understand pretty much of anything.
Joel
There is no thoughtful discussion, no ‘civilized’ discussion involved in preaching, hectoring and repeating, over and over and over again, “all the poor dead babies, with their teddies and little baby shoes”
Is there the remotest possibility of you changing your mind? Of course not. Is there the remotest possibility of me changing mine? Of course not.
Luckily, there’s no chance of you ever being able to impose your political agenda upon me.
Well…yeah, the one you called, what was it?
:rolleyes:
I’m still interested in knowing how you found out about those “nice liberal Christians” I was referring to earlier, if you “don’t click on links from strange men”. Do tell.
I thought I’d gained a kind of appreciation of your particular strangeness - mostly harmless.
Not all members of a reactionary sect have to be personally reactionary or take its doctrines seriously, given the decline in the catholic birthrate, for example, it’s obvious that Roman Catholic women must take the pill ‘religiously’.
It’s called cognitive dissonance, I believe.
So trying to be a voice for those who have none, and trying to protect human life is a political agenda. Interesting, I never thought of it that way before.
And I still don’t.
Joel
So, you don’t think seeking to control the lives and destinies of other people is political?
Well, well, well.