- I oppose people who know this is true.
You didn’t notice the tekkie (different kind of tekkie) avoidance of the use of concepts such as ‘true’?
Different argument, different place (with the potential endlessness of ‘truth’ and ‘meaning’ rowing).
I oppose people who believe this is what the answer is regarding who should be opposed.
Indeed, I do so accept. All wrongs cannot be righted.
Are you an anarchist then? Or do you accept that a law can be justified or vilified based on a measurement of its consequences. How do we know your measurement of the consequences, your answer, is right?
Thank you. That answers a lot of questions about your future participation on the Great Debates forum, where many “strangers” will be posting links to other web sites to buttress their point of view.
Ummm Bob, can we get BURNER back?
- I oppose people who believe this is what the answer is
- regarding who should be opposed.
That’s nice to know, I await the awesome consequences.
:shudder!:
- Thank you. That answers a lot of questions about your future
- participation on the Great Debates forum, where
- many “strangers” will be posting links to other web sites to
- buttress their point of view.
Oh dear, I seem to have offended one of the Great Arbiters.
candida shrinks back, horrified at having upset a Board God - or not.
Awesome consequences? What do you mean? We now believe the same things, our axioms are in sync, and balance has been restored to the Force.
- Awesome consequences? What do you mean? We now believe
- the same things, our axioms are in sync, and balance has been
- restored to the Force.
Damn, I knew I should have taken the kids to the Clone prequel.
So, Candida, tell me if I’m wrong, but you seem to have a hatred for the pro-life movement, and apparently Catholics as well, which make up a large part of it, and feel like there’s absolutely no legitimacy to the pro-life movement, and that it’s a bunch of radicals shoving their morals in other peoples faces. Is that where you’re coming from?
- Are you an anarchist then? Or do you accept that a law can
- be justified or vilified based on a measurement of its
- consequences. How do we know your measurement of the
- consequences, your answer, is right?
I’m a ‘Popperian’, if you know what that means, you’ll be able to work out my answer to your final question.
—In the same way, I agree with Frederica Mathewes-Green that “abortion should be illegal–in any civilization, laws protecting the weak from the strong belong to the irreducible core of justice”—
Begs the question of course. Was Frederica MG a vegan? Or is it only some weak, to be arbitrarily decided upon by Frederica to be of moral consequence?
—Well, a great many claim that it’s just a blob of cells, or a lump of tissue. That assertion, while extremely popular, is demonstrably wrong.—
You know full well that most of the great many that assertion is not used for moving fetuses, but rather for the stages without a nervous system. Even then, the contention is simply that without a functioning nervous system, the being has no more moral status than any other blob of tissue, not simply that it isn’t shaped like a baby.
Joel
- So, Candida, tell me if I’m wrong, but you seem to have a hatred for
- the pro-life movement, and apparently Catholics as well, which
- make up a large part of it, and feel like there’s absolutely no
- legitimacy to the pro-life movement, and that it’s a bunch of
- radicals shoving their morals in other peoples faces. Is that where
- you’re coming from?
I’m not good on ‘hate’, Joel, I’m really not and I’m not, at all, interested in discussing ‘morality’. If I was interested in doing so, I’d be doing so on a Phil Board or a (Jewish) Religion Board.
I’m very bad on the subject of zealots and, given the context, I tire very quickly with being hit over the head with fetuses.
Dave is one of our most reasonable debaters on the pro-life side of the abortion argument, if not the most reasonable. If you can’t make nice with him, that does say something about you, I think.
BTW, “Popperian” means you are a proponent of the Blues Traveler philosophy, right? What do I win?
And I have a question for anyone to answer that’s kind of related. I thought about asking this as an individual thread, but it’s probably better if I ask it here.
Talking about making abortion illegal got me thinking, which part of the constitution, article and paragraph, or whatever, gives women the “right to an abortion”? I know that the word abortion is mentioned nowhere in the constitution, so that “right” is apparently implied. So where is it implied?
- If you can’t make nice with him, that does say something about
- you, I think.
Oh dear, I think I’ve missed my opportunity of being Ms Straight Dope 2003, I’m mortified.
What do I have to do to be Ms Popularity?
- BTW, “Popperian” means you are a proponent of the Blues
- Traveler philosophy, right? What do I win?
The right to look up epistemology and the philosophy and logic of science on Yahoo or Google.
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Oooooh, looks like I’m in trouble.
It’s just that your posts seem to be filled with disdain for pro-lifers. And how can you argue for or against abortion without bringing up morality?..I believe that abortion is murder, but I don’t think that it’s wrong…??? The belief that abortion is murder is, by association, belief that abortion is morally wrong.
**What do you mean? I love you more and more with each snide, disrespectful and needlessly hostile post. As far as I’m concerned, you’re still in the running. Mention my name at the ceremony. You’ll get a good seat.
**Yeah, right. I’m dying to undertsand what makes you tick. Any textbooks you’d recommend?
Oh, you wish. You ain’t close to the most troubling poster we’ve seen, and I haven’t involved a mod yet. Keep trying, though. We’ve practically got a chatroom going here.
- It’s just that your posts seem to be filled with disdain for pro-lifers.
I’m sorry, one gets so tired with moral posturing and it probably shows.
- And how can you argue for or against abortion without bringing
- up morality?
Very easily when one wants people to talk about ‘what kind of law, how would it be enforced’ and so on without being beaten about the head with metaphorical fetuses all the time.
- …I believe that abortion is murder, but I don’t think that it’s
- wrong…??? The belief that abortion is murder is, by
- association, belief that abortion is morally wrong.
Oh, you’ve left me under no doubt about your particular devotion to ‘loaded language’.