I don’t see what phony movie tough guys have to do with racist bully cops.
That was a joke but not at you. That was an cinematically absurd version of a small town police force that went wrong but it isn’t completely unheard of in spirit. I know minor versions of the same idea can happen and it doesn’t even need to involve race at all. There are lots of different types of people that die or are permanently injured in confrontations with the police. People of all types in simple jail (not prison) sometimes die from lack of any concern at all even if they have life-threatening health conditions. There have been cases in which police have arrested alcoholics for simple drunkeness and refused them medical care to the point where they went into seizures and died (alcoholic detox is a medical condition that can be fatal without medical supervision).
My point is that it is a multi-faceted problem ranging from simple profiling issues to arrest procedures to detainee treatment while in holding after arrest and it can affect anyone. The media loves to play up the racial element today because that is what sells and there is some truth to it but it goes far beyond that. There have been many people from other groups killed by the police for dubious reasons in the past couple of years but the only stories that get extended attention in the national news are the ones that play into the cops versus blacks meme because that is what sells at the moment.
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I doubt that dark skinned people who are being harassed and profiled care much about how many newspapers are sold.
I do not find your comment that “white people get harrassedd too” to have any validity since the amount of harassment is quite out of proportion to what white people experience. Since you admitted upthread that black people are the most often profiled, I am kind of confused as to why you would later try to defend profiling by saying “well, white people are harassed too”.
but it affects black people more. From the article Mostro posted
The target market of the news isn’t black people that are victims of it. It is the general audience that loves a good story and something to get worked up over and those are chosen carefully the same way that kidnapping victim stories are chosen. It is info-tainment. Do you honestly think that Michael Brown was the most egregious case of police brutality in the entire country in 2014? No, his death was picked for excessive coverage because it hit the right notes at the right time and it sells in the same way that Natalee Holloway became famous by being a dead, white kidnap victim at a time when the media needed a new hook. Both of them were picked posthumously out of a casting call of hundreds if not thousands just like them. The difference is that the rest of them never make it past their local papers if that.
I never disputed that black people get profiled more than most other groups (except possibly Arabs and hispanics in some areas) but that wasn’t the question in the OP. The question asked if black people should run from the police if confronted and the answer to that is almost always a resounding ‘NO!’ but that applies to everyone else as well. However, my even more major point is that no one should be deliberately confrontational with the police because it is a losing game.
It is true that blacks get killed by the police more in pure percentage terms but that isn’t true in absolute terms. Police are more than happy to shoot to kill white people as well when the circumstances are right. In fact, whites represent the highest absolute number of people killed by the police. Hispanics and other groups have their fair share as well. You would have to look case by case to see how justified those are but the safe bet is that the vast majority of them did something very deliberate to cause such a severe response.
Everything you say is true, but, all beside the point. You are going on a tangent.
I want to tell you something Shagnasty and I am going to say I hope it does not violate the rules of GD, more importantly, I hope it does not upset you or offend you because overall I think you are a pretty decent guy and one of the people “on the right” that I like disagreeing with or debating because you seem to be a decent person overall and your views are moderate or somewhat flexible. I also believe you when you say you have/have had many black friends and coworkers and that you have no bad feelings to any group of people.
But
You have the habit, it seems, of being very stuck with certain points of view. We (you, me, others) will be posting and chatting and you will say something and then people will post from articles or cite other statistics and you just kind of wander off or stop commenting or someone gets mad and then the sarcastic comments begin (can be generated by any number of people).
So, I wonder, are you willing to change the “Sticking points” you have or are you going to keep defending your position regardless of what information is presented to the contrary?
Lot’s of people would say I have the same problem with my attitude towards religion and Islam in particular. The difference between me and you, no offense, no personal offense intended, the difference between me and you is I am willing to admit I have a bias and I admit that my POV is probably not going to change. I doubt the validity of most information presented to me in this case because it is usually coming from a source of apologetics and that is a POV I disagree with.
I’m writing a long response so you understand with clarity the point I am making.
I repeat I do not think you are a bad person, I enjoy talking to you, and I believe you when you say you have many black friends and coworkers and that you get along well with all of them.
As to your article, it is quite long and I am still reading the article Monstro posted, which is also quite long. In your article, does it make the claim that more white people are killed in total numbers? Or by proportion?
The idea that blacks should flee from the police is simply nonsensical. It’s like someone thinks: blacks are oppressed, so lets pretend that reality is something other than what it is so that fleeing form the cops is a good option. If you think the cops are going to treat you poorly because you’re black, how do you think they’re going to treat you as a black person resisting arrest? The odds of you outrunning the cops is ridiculously small. So you have to ask yourself-- do you feel lucky?
Interesting question, OP.
In your opinion, should this upstanding African-American gentleman resist arrest or cooperate fully with police in the unlikely event he were to be apprehended?
I detect sarcasm
were you seriously expecting me to respond with a real reply?
Yes, I would, thank you very much. Should this young African-American citizen resist arrest in the unlikely case the police tried to apprehend him?
While we’re at it, what if the known racist cops tried to apprehend some of the outstanding examples of African-American female community, depicted in this video, should they resist or cooperate fully with the police?
Of course he should. I think this is an example of what is called the knock out game. There is some criticism that the media has over reported the event(s). But it undeniable that it is a legitimate problem to one degree or another. Most of the reports I am aware of say that the perpetrators are black and the victims are white and often elderly or frail. I will repeat that I think this is a horrible situation and to whatever degree it is true, there is no excuse for it. In fact, I say it is beyond horrible and condemn it in the strongest possible terms. People doing this are the worst kind of cowards.
But why is you response to the issue of racial profiling to respond with a situation where black people are the “criminals”? I am not denying the knock out game is horrible and wrong. I doubt your motives for mentioning it if that is your response to the topic of profiling, however.
The focus of your ideas seems to be incredibly racist and polarizing to me. I really have no desire to converse with you further.
What if the police were to racially profile and (as a result of racial profiling) detain this young upstanding African-American gentleman?
Please note that there’s no question of “knockout” game in this particular scenario.
Good plan. I hope others follow suit.
I don’t think there’s any focus to my ideas yet 
. All I’m doing is providing you with real-life examples of African-American behavior and the theoretical question of the subsequent interaction between the said African-Americans and the white racist police after the events, depicted in the video.
Should they resist their racially-motivated arrest or comply with the racist police force, in your opinion?
I reported the fuck out of this, because he’s trying to do it again.
Just to keep the conversation going, if the police were (purely theoretically, of course) to show up at this gathering of young and proud African-Americans, should they resist the racist cops or cooperate with them fully?
Actually, I reported the fuck out of all of these.
Good job, Wolf333. Posting videos of real events **should **be reported the fuck out, there’s no doubt about that.