Without the factory machines, they would just be people standing around a big empty floor, so the factory should get to make the rules if you want to work. And if all the factories happen to get together and make exactly the same rules, well…
While Jameis Winston doesn’t seem to have any legal problems for doing something as minor as rape, it looks like he may have problems for doing something serious like selling autographs:
Yes, they should be allowed to sell autographs or anything else that it would be legal for any professional to sell. They should also be allowed to accept whatever gifts or cash that professional would be allowed to accept.
No, they don’t. The rules are made by various federal, state and local governments elected by the citizens of this country. Those rules generally state that wage fixing collusion is not allowed.
So far, schools have skirted the issue by pretending these kids are not employees. They are playing out of the goodness of their little hearts, for the fun of the game, and not because they’re being paid to play.
There is a small percentage who use college ball as a tryout for the pro leagues. The remainder (and there are a LOT of them) use college ball as a way to pay for their education. They put up with the bullshit rules because the schools have colluded to make sure there is no monetary competition for their services, everyone pays the same, 1 full scholarship.
The easiest, and most direct way, to fix this across the board is to get rid of the dumbass restriction that kids can’t come straight out of high school into the draft. Stop making them go play for schools/foreign leagues at all. The ONLY reason basketball players have to wait that year is because if all the best players went straight into the NBA it would GUT college basketball, sending it into irrelevance. There wouldn’t be any marketable players that the NCAA would have to worry about selling autographs, endorsements etc… because no one would want them. The best guys would go straight pro leaving the actual amateurs/students in college.
I feel this way about football too. You can make the argument that these kids bodies aren’t physically ready for the pros. Once they are 18 they are legally adults. Let THEM make the decision whether or not they are physically ready. It would probably actually HELP with injuries in the NFL. Instead of giving kids 4 years to hit the gym and get huge after high school you would have normal sized dudes getting drafted instead of 270lb corners we see today.
I disagree. NBA went the straight out of HS route for a while, and it’s a terrible way to run a draft. Players with the most raw talent, who are not ready to play, get selected very early. Those players need years of seasoning before they’re ready to compete, but they can’t get on the floor in an NBA game. Thus teams spend high draft picks on unproven players simply to lock in the rights to a great talent.
Extremely high risk, with little League Level upside. Having a great talent riding the pine for 2 years (or stink for 2 years) doesn’t raise the visibility of the league. Letting them play on a smaller stage doesn’t detract from the league, and gives the teams more security with the draft pick.
This is complete bollocks. The NBA instituted the wait-a-year rule for its own convenience, not to protect college basketball. There was a period of several years where players were going directly from high school into the NBA, with no deleterious effect on NCAA basketball.
That ridiculous argument is the one schools have been using for years. Illegal behavior isn’t justified because it’s profitable.
If schools can only make money from sports by screwing over their talent pool, perhaps they need to rethink the whole place of sports in higher education.
Another point that hardly ever gets mentioned in these debates is that we should expect better from our universities. They are the ones entrusted with the education of the next generation of the nation’s leaders and I don’t think it’s the least little bit too much to ask them to set examples of the right way to go about things. They shouldn’t give a tinker’s damn about kids making money from their talents; they should be focusing on giving them all a decent chance at getting a meaningful degree, which will be worth way more to most of them than the slight chance of a professional career (which will most likely be short and crippling).
Red: you’re right that education should be their focus. But as was pointed out in another thread, they aren’t students, they are athletes who just happen to live on a college campus.
Which is all the more reason they should get paid.
The schools don’t prohibit the activities - the NCAA does, and the schools agree to this when they join. Name one student punished by his school for doing something otherwise legal that made him NCAA-ineligible.
If you’re going to tell the NCAA that it can’t enforce amateurism rules, then what stops schools from also demanding that the NCAA not enforce scholarship limits, or minimum GPA/SAT requirements? Pretty much the only restrictions imposed by a source outside of the NCAA are equality ones.
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The NCAA is an association created by the schools.
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They don’t have to join the NCAA
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The schools can’t absolve themselves from restraint of trade through the pretense of saying that the NCAA is in charge
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The NCAA should itself be declared an illegal cartel.
The schools could make degrees more attainable with a few simple practices. Cut the schedules, eliminate spring football and reduce in-season practice time to an hour and a half a day. If you want to get radical, eliminate some scholarships when graduation rates fall below the student body average.
That’s the kind of stuff societal leaders like universities should be doing and the athletes getting money from somebody doesn’t have a thing to do with any of it.
No you wouldn’t. No NFL team would bother with players just out of HS, they would be useless.