I don’t actually know the answer to that question, but I’ll take your word for it.
Actually, both sides are truthful in your abortion examples here.
I agree that Trump was lying, it’s his modus operandi. But we don’t need to make it easy for him.
It’s not just the slogan. It’s the actions of burning, looting, and general mayhem. It’s the lack of action of charging, holding, and actually prosecuting these felons. The slogan itself is naive and can be ignored. 100s of millions of dollars in damage and theft cannot.
Last time I checked (until recently) Trump’s chances, reported by 538 and the polls, were close to 30 in 100, now Trump’s chances are lower at 22 in 100.
By “felons”, you mean the police who murder people and get away with it, right?
As the polls show by now, most Americans do realize that one should not give the power again to the ones that are pouring gasoline into the fire.
What are you trying to claim, some sort of ,Bricker like, victory if you and a few others have come up with what it means only in this thread?
When right there smack in the face is puzzlegal saying she has heard otherwise out in the real world, here in this thread.
If it’s a victory of little substance by claiming that everyone in the thread knows what “WE” mean when we discuss it, by all means.
flawless victory to you
Some people DO mean that though do they not?
Again, not Biden and for sure his administration. That is what counts, not the extreme nuts.
Really, you think a pro-choice candidate wants to murder babies?
Right wing messaging is working pretty well.
At least you aren’t clutching your pearls about a slogan. Good for you!
No, I am trying to have a productive conversation. If that’s not your goal, if you see this as some sort of competition and point scoring, then sure, you win. Good job!
You just keep hugging that straw as if your argument depends on it.
Here’s the thing…
Whether you like the slogan or not.
Whether you think the defunding should be complete or partial.
Whether you have abolishing the police as your ultimate goal or not.
NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY is calling for and end to law and order.
You may believe that the movement will have a detrimental effect on the cause of law and order, but you have to stop saying that that is the goal of “defund the police” because it’s not. Our goal is to strengthen law and order by removing what we believe is the largest obstacle.
And maybe even more importantly, the Democratic party has not said they are the on board with the movement. I, for one, wish they were but they’re not.
So, urbanredneck2, Kearsen1, octopus and all the others that keep arguing these points…knock it off!
Over a slogan? Of course not. Hats, flags, statues, slogans, chants don’t bother me. The concepts embodied in the first amendment and tolerance of diverse beliefs is important. Otherwise, you end up with religious wars where eradication of all heretics is the goal. And that’s not nice.
So, all we need to do is start charging, holding, and prosecuting these felons, and get them to stop burning, looting, and causing general mayhem.
Glad you are on the same side of wanting to hold police accountable for their actions, and you are not diswayed by the use of a slogan.
There absolutely needs to be police and criminal justice reform in this country. You won’t get it with radicals and anarchists. That’s why I call that sort of thing counter-productive.
If it it demonstrated in their actions, then I believe it is.
I’m not blaming Biden so I am unsure how that is even relevant. The people that are in the world and the people that will likely craft the legislation, are any of THOSE people extreme nuts?
That straw is on fire . Cites galore upon request.
Like most of the liberal agenda, your goal was magnanimous in the beginning, with lots of support, and then it got hijacked by some crazies. Which gives the GOP and the crazy media all the ammo they need to smear said slogan and goals.
You guys just need to get on board with jacking up the crazy elements , disavowing them (even if it costs you some votes) , even if that means changing the fancy slogan that got to be so popular.
Basically stop being sissies about it. Its all defense all the time with you guys. Defend the slogan. Defend the crazy. You gotta start picking and choosing better ground to defend.
You can’t use all of them, try as you might.
Every time there has been real change in human history, it has come at the hands of radicals.
The mainstream is not going to change anything. They’re going to try and fix what is already there. By definition, they believe that what is there works for the most part and what doesn’t can be fixed.
Anyone who thinks that the American criminal justice system is working is either not paying attention or they’re fine with it as is. We’ve been trying to “fix” it for at least 50 years, some would say 150 years.
It can’t be fixed. It needs to be changed. All of it.
Like if there is no election going on and the Republicans have not made it relevant. News to you: Republicans are doing that daily in many misleading ads that they are putting out now.
Not really, as the only democratic example in power cited that others claimed it did is not really an extreme nut. Other examples that are mostly activists are clearly nuts, but not part of the current democratic efforts.