Cite? This sounds like White House propaganda.
You know that I’m not and I’ve explicitly stated that already:
I have. And unless we’re talking past each other, I maintain my original reservation about whether the following is a necessary consequence in this instance:
Haha, you took my words, and replaced them with other words to try to make a point! Good job, you score internet points for your rhetorical games.
Now, if it were only the case that protesters hired, screened, trained and disciplined the protesters. That the protesters actually had the power of the law behind them already, and so can bring that directly to bear against the bad actors. If it were the protesters’ job to arrest violent people and those who break the law.
So, nice try on your little equivalence game, but you failed. Badly.
Yeah. Now you are getting it. Because those on the far left are not screened, hired, trained, and disciplined by any body, there really is no organization to hold responsible for their actions. They are in fact, individuals acting on their own. All a liberal organization can do is to ask them to behave.
I wouldn’t go that far. What makes you say that? Why would you say that all cops are bastards? I’m just talking about the ones who look the other way or cover for bad cops, and here you go, smearing all cops.
The police are an organization. They have HR departments. They have Internal Affairs departments. They have superiors. They are paid by our tax dollars. They are our employees.
The protesters, on the other hand, are random citizens, with no organization whatsoever except that which they, themselves, might or might not institute. Nobody knows everyone who will be at a protest.
Why do you expect random citizens to be better behaved than the police?
Then it works perfectly as it was posted, as an example of cops’ persecution complex.
I have no idea what it is that you think you are defending at this point.
Do you think that her accusing random people of trying to poison her is helpful to the divide that we have in our country? Do you not think that there are those who believed her, and their tensions and belief about the leftist agenda validated by her video?
I really don’t know why you chose to go up on a hill to defend her on this. I don’t think she’s a bad person, probably. You are right, I don’t know what she has seen or been through to cause her such levels of paranoia and delusional behavior. I just know that, based on the words that she chose to share with the world, and that she chose to share those words with the world, I do not trust her judgement in a life of death situation.
And that she is an example of the cop persecution complex, which is what she was used as an example of, and of which you have not argued against, at all.
Do you not think that she is an example of the cop persecution complex? If not, why not?
You asked if the most generous interpretation was the necessary one. I doubt you’d care for the less generous interpretations, so the comment made no sense.
If I were to guess, maybe you’re suggesting there’s a more generous interpretation that we overlooked? That a cop can flip their shit over a slow McMuffin, accuse others of crimes on YouTube, and happily keep on wielding deadly force with no sanction or intervention whatsoever. That’s what apparently happened and I’m absolutely uncomfortable with it. Are you?
You know, if she was saying that the McDonald’s was being slow on purpose, because she is a cop, I’d still think that she was full of it, but at least that’s not complete paranoia. There’s a bit of cop persecution in that, but whatever.
But she accused them of trying to poison her. That’s just fucked up. She thought that people were trying to kill her. There’s a term for that, it’s called paranoid delusions.
Even the ones who accused the fast food of being rude or writing nasty things on their food weren’t that paranoid. They were liars, sure, but they were lying about people being rude, not about people trying to kill them.
Yeah, that was a poetic turn of phrase on my part which was lost in translation. I felt it was overly “generous” in contrast to a more narrow interpretation in which an exhausted cop used poor judgement to post an over-reaction on youtube. Forgivable to a lot of people under similar circumstances, and no reason not to give her the same benefit of the doubt. Particularly when the other six cases you linked were far far more egregious examples of bad police actions.
You dont know how often she has received death threats…
You dont know how many times she has pulled a person out of a burning car.
You dont know how many times she has had to step into the middle of a violent domestic dispute. You dont know how many times she has gotten spit on for giving a traffic ticket.
You dont know how many times she has scraped a drunk driver off the pavement.
You dont know how many times she has had to stand and allow people to throw rocks, bottles of piss, and shoot paintballs at her.
So if a person steals your car or breaks into your home, its the fault of police?
Should democrats rethink “defund police” and push for law and order?
I think the country would be best served if Republicans made an attempt to understand the issue.
But then again, I guess that knee jerk reactions to bumper sticker slogans is WAY easier.
I think if she was a nurse or waitress coming off a long shitty shift, you would be far more understanding. You appear to believe that since she is a cop that makes her emotional response somehow more damning. She posted a fucking video while in a bad state of mind. That is her one and only crime as far as we know. Nobody got hurt. She made kind of a fool of herself. That’s all that happened. Any other scenario you feel like accusing her of is the machination of your own making.
We also don’t know if the answers to any of your questions are a number greater than zero, but none of your questions pertain to what we do know, as you well know.
And she doesn’t know that about a person that she is coming up on in the middle of the night, either.
But she makes life and death judgement about that person.
That’s an odd way of putting it.
But, if someone steals my car or breaks into my home, then it could be said that having the police force that we do did nothing to prevent it.
But I wouldn’t blame them, I would just see them as useless.
Your saying your OK with people saying they hope the police die?
Again, these police were doing NOTHING WRONG. They were just driving down and were ambushed.
Ok, I could maybe see your point if they were doing an illegal breaking into someones house and the people inside defended themselves. But these police were doing nothing wrong.
And to think you are ok with people showing up to hope they die??? This is one of the few times I wish cops could arrest people and at least bring them down to the station and get their names.
Maybe.
Maybe democrats should quit supporting places like CHAZ. Quit supporting idiots who tear down every statue they dont like (instead of using the democratic process of removing them). Maybe they should quit telling everyone that every problem is Trumps fault when sometimes its the fault of idiots who do stupid things like set buildings on fire or throw crap at ,police or block traffic.
BTW, the officers ambushed were in a democrat controlled city, county, and state. Pelosi is their senator.
No, absolutely not. You are making presumptions that are not in evidence.
If she were a nurse, talking about how the people at McDonald’s were trying to position her because she was a nurse, I’d say that she’s having paranoid delusions, and needs to lose her job because she shouldn’t be in charge of life and death decisions over people.
If she were a waitress, I’d say that she was having paranoid delusions, and having the power over the hotcakes I get at IHOP at 3:00 AM is about the level of responsibility that society should grant her.
She publicly claimed that people tried to kill her because she was a cop. I don’t know why you are climbing this hill to defend her.
I don’t know that nobody got hurt. There are people on that twitter feed that got real upset with McDonalds. You don’t think that that increased tensions? You don’t think that other cops even saw that, and thought that it might be true? You don’t think that fast food workers saw that, and no think that every cop coming through is going to think that they are trying to poison them?
And you are also assuming that she is never in that frame of mind while interacting with the public. I think that that is an assumption that requires some evidence.
I believe that because she is a cop, she should be held to a higher standard. That because she is vested with the power of the state, that her judgement should be questioned. If she gets like this at the end of a shift, then how is she an hour before the end of her shift?
I am not accusing her of doing anything except saying the words that she recorded and uploaded to the world to see. She is the one who is accusing people of trying to kill her.
And it really is you who is making a big deal out of this, as it was simply listed as cops indulging in persecution complex, that is the only thing that was claimed by the poster who originally brought this to our attention, and that is one thing that you have repeatedly refused to address.
Are you saying that this is not an example of a cop indulging in a persecution complex? If not, why not? If so, then this entire digression has been a complete waste of time for all involved.
No, that’s not what I am saying. Though, in the “Positive gun news of the Day thread”, I often see sentiments that people are happy that someone has been killed, even if there is no evidence that the deceased deserved it other than the say-so of the shooter.
I don’t condone it, but I see where it comes from.
That happens a bunch to innocent people terrorized, brutalized, or murdered by police too.
Sucks, don’t it.
Yeah, it would be nice if people didn’t have to worry about being shot while doing nothing wrong.
Once again, nope. And it is good to know that you have a nice little authoritarian streak in you.
Okay, they stopped doing that. In fact, they stopped so fast that they never did.
Next.
So? quickly skipping right past the part where Pelosi is no one’s senator, what does that matter?