Agreed. It’s been explained exhaustively and repetitively.
At this point, there’s no one that doesn’t get what defund means that doesn’t also not understand why All Lives Matter is not a compliment to Black Lives Matter.
There is ignorance, and then there is willful ignorance. Only the first can be cured by explanation.
Or it sounds like someone had a bad time at a restaurant and now wants others to stop going there…
Sounds a whole lot like other cancelling.
It sure does make it easy when “defund the police” is the actual slogan though, wouldn’t you agree.
To argue now that people take it at face value is ironic. I mean, that IS what it says. Slogans should pass along the meaning of the intended message.
I’m another who finds it a dumb slogan.
I’m really not seeing how you are getting this.
People that have a bad time at a restaurant and want others to stop going there post Yelp reviews. Is that what you think of as “Cancel Culture”?
People that want to participate in “Cancel Culture” see people making public statements, and push back against those statements.
People that make up lies about fast food workers trying to kill them are just liars. Nothing to do with cancel culture.
Did you want to expand on why you think that this cop was trying to “cancel” McDonald’s? Or just keep asserting that this is the case, without explaining how it relates whatsoever to the subject that you chose to bring up out of nowhere into this thread?
I wasn’t defending the slogan. It IS incredibly obtuse and if a slogan needs to be explained, it has lost its most useful function. Some bumper sticker statements like “Build the wall” or “Lock her up” work because they don’t require context. Others like “Cap and trade” work for the right even if they have no idea what they mean. “Defund the police” sounds like “Abolish the police” without knowing the nuance. Ultimately, it only makes a difference to the people you’re trying to appeal to, the other side already has their hatchets out (as in Medicare for All, and the Green New Deal).
And it would be a bad idea for a politician running for office to use it.
However, I’ve not seen examples of that, I have only seen examples of grass roots movements that didn’t bother with focus groups and PR committees who happened upon a phrase that motivated people to get up and protest against the brutalization and terrorism they are subject to from the police.
That we spend more time criticizing a grass roots movement for their slogan than the police for their abject failure at their jobs tells me that there is not much motivation to solve the problem so much as trying to get people to stop complaining about it.
Quick question to you: When people talk about being anti-regulation, does that mean that they want to get rid of all regulations?
Yes
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Taking it one step further , it would also be bad for anyone to use it since it doesn’t convey what is intended.
But you just can’t let it go at that can you
The ACLU has already come up with a great replacement: “Divest and Re-invest”.
Yup. And “defund the police” doesn’t. It turns people off.
Objectively false. I’m still not sure wtf “defund the police” is supposed to mean, as i hear very different things each time i ask.
I’d really like a snappy slogan i could put on a yard sign. But “defund the police” isn’t it.
I mean, I’ve done the other easy stuff, like write to me elected reps. I’d like to lobby public opinion. I’m kinda pissed that all we have is such a shitty slogan.
No one? Maybe no one in this thread, but trust me, “Defund the Police” means many things to many people.
Again, who is “we” here Kimosabe?
Well, me, for one.
Do you have a better slogan?
Okay… thank you for your contribution…
Which is why I don’t use it.
I’m not really the one that can’t let it go. I’m not the one that keeps insisting that it means other than what the people who are on the side of stopping the terrorism and brutalization of their neighborhoods say it means.
So, yeah, as long as there are those that seem to be confused as to what it means, then I am here to fight their ignorance. If your point is that they aren’t really confused about it, then they are not participating in good faith, and I am wasting my time. Is that what you are trying to say here?
Missing the point, it is not the slogan for Biden or most of the Democrats in power, so again, because the OP tells it, who are the ones pushing that? And why should we use it?
The point stands, it is mostly a talking point from the Republicans that typically assign extremist slogans to all Democrats when that is not really the case.
There have been many , many people who have told you and the supporters of the slogan that it is confusing and doesn’t convey the intended message, to which you and your supporters patiently explain that they are dumbasses. Who do you think is wrong, the people who question it or the people trying to defend it?
That isn’t a position I think you should be in, and I am just looking out for you.
The world and this slogan is bigger than the SD, I would grant you that it has been explained here well enough. If people are using it to spread a message in the world, is here, big enough?
If you have to explain it every time it is used in the world outside the SD, then it’s a dumb slogan
I have been consistent, and it has been the same as the message of pretty much all the others in these threads.
That you find some guy on facebook that says differently is not a really compelling argument, just a bit of nutpicking.
If you are asking for specifics, as to exaclty what percentage of the current police budget should instead be used for social services, then you would get different answers, but you would also get different answers if you asked that question.
I really do not find it to be all that confusing, but that is to at least some part that I have actually attempted to understand where people were coming from and what they were asking for, rather than attempting to put them down for not putting their slogan through a focus group before protesting against the terrorism and brutalization that goes on in their neighborhoods.
Then don’t. DrDeth has pointed out a slogan that maybe you would prefer.
We have a whole lot more than that. People choose to focus on that to the exclusion of all else, but that doesn’t mean that there is not a whole lot else there that they are ignoring.
Does anyone in this thread feel that “Defund the police” means anything other than deemphasizing the role of the police as a primary and only means of meeting issues that should be cared for by social programs and services?
Is this thread the totality of the usage for the slogan?
The people who insist that it is a slogan of democrats, rather than of protesters that are fed up with the terrorizing and brutalizing of their neighborhoods by the police.
Thank you for your concern.
It is not being used to spread a message, but to invigorate a movement. The people invigorated get it. The people that don’t can listen to the ACLU’s slogan, or to a more nuanced view of the issues that are involved in police vs the people they are supposed to be serving and protecting.
If it motivates people, then it is the slogan that is needed.
When people say that they are anti-regulation, does that mean that they are against all regulations?