They surely do. Governor Faubus called them out against the 101st Airborne during the attempt to integrate Central High in Little Rock.
President Eisenhower nationalized them, making the AR National Guard part of the US Army, and under Eisenhower’s orders.
No, since 2006 the NG is part of the Army reserve, they ultimately answer to trump as CinC.
I may not be asking this quite right…isn’t there a protocol? The mayor didn’t ask the governor, and the governor didn’t ask the president. Trump could choose to send them or not, but wait—he hasn’t even been asked.
Trump doesn’t even know what the word means; he probably thinks Protocol is the name of some high end escort service.
The power to bring the wrath of the United States down upon domestic rioteers is actually vested in Congress by the Constitution.
U.S. const. art. I, section 8.
“The Congress shall have Power […] To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; […] .”
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“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; To establish Post Offices and post Roads; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”
U.S. const. art. IV, section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
In practice, Congress has by statute delegated this authority to the President. The legislature of a state may request assistance, or the governor may request assistance when the legislature is in recess, or the President can unilaterally call in military forces when he decides the riot makes it “impractible to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings”. The current law is found in Title X of the United States Code.
10 U.S. Code § 251. Federal aid for State governments
Whenever there is an insurrection in any State against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor if the legislature cannot be convened, call into Federal service such of the militia of the other States, in the number requested by that State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection.
10 U.S. Code § 252. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority
Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.
~Max
One, they aren’t a militia-they are the invaders.
Protestors exercising their Constitutional rights are not invaders and a paramilitary force from Homeland Security suppressing them is not a well-regulated militia defending us from enemies domestic or foreign.
Interesting, thanks!
I didn’t claim protesters were invaders, nor did I claim the DHS forces were militia. I wouldn’t expect the Trump administration to make either of those claims. ETA: well, not in court anyways.
If the President considers the “assemblage” of protesters to “make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States” in Illinois through normal judicial proceedings, the President has the authority to call the militia of any State, and the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws. Even if Gov. Pritzker begs him not to.
DHS is a different beast. I was responding to a post about calling the National Guard in to Chicago.
~Max
If the Gov mobilized them, trump can & will override her.
J.B. Pritzker is a dude, just saying. Tammy Duckworth is the junior U.S. senator from Illinois.
~Max
It’s irrelevant what the local politicians and DAs want. They can’t even keep business owners and citizens safe from domestic terrorists. They don’t even try. What makes you think they have the stomach to face off against a real army?
The only domestic terrorists* in Portland are the federal LEOs sent in by Trump. As pointed out upthread by DrDeth, it would probably be a bad idea for the locals to try to stop them. I read somewhere that during one attempt to get them to stop, it reached the point where the mayor of Portland was teargassed, so it’s not like they aren’t trying.
- I suppose it’s possible there is some lone wolf al Qaeda type laying low, but that’s pretty unlikely.
I’m sure that there are some proud boys and neo nazi agitators there as well.
This is a long discussion and I may have missed this, but I have a simple question. If, as in a video I saw , two guys in unlabeled camo jump from a vehicle and grab someone while refusing t identify themselves, suppose the civilian kills one or both? Assume a legal weapon. If the civilian survives, could he or she be succesfully prosecuted?.
No, there are black bloc anarchists there. Not quite “domestic terrorists” but pretty damn close. Most of the damage is cause by them, methinks.
It would be a nasty, long legal battle. There are no winners in one of those.
Those guys are committing crimes, but I’m not so sure those crimes would qualify as terrorism.
Not quite, smashing windows, burning cop cars… nasty pieces of work, but not quite “terrorism”- the worst thing they do is they turn peaceful BLM, etc protests into violent ones with tear gas, etc.
But you know it’s odd- the Black Blok Anarchists are a real thing- more organized that Antifa (not saying much, sure), but they travel the USA doing violence. They are also in Europe, where they are legally considered terrorists- or are at least are on some watch lists.
Black bloc - Wikipedia Tactics of a black bloc primarily of private property, rioting( and demonstrating without a permit. …Property destruction carried out by black blocs tends to have symbolic significance: common targets include banks, institutional buildings, outlets for multinational corporations, gasoline stations, and video-surveillance cameras."
And see, they admit gleefully they are out to commit violence.
So why the FUCK did trump pick “antifa”? Antifa isnt organized, and other than “punch a nazi” they eschew violence. They arent terrorists. If trump had picked the Black Blok Anarchists, many Euro nations would cheer him on, especially Germany, where they cause a lot of damage. And they SAY they do violence, they openly admit it.
Former Department of Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said that DHS is not President Trump’s personal militia and that it would be “a cold day in hell” before he would consent to a “unilateral, uninvited intervention” in cities after Trump sent federal forces to where protesters have clashed with police.
Someone concerned about reducing crime would have done so, because putting the real criminals in jail will keep them off the streets. Of course Trump has no interest in this sort of thing. All he cares about is trying to terrorize Democratic leaning voters in the hope that they will be too scared to vote on Election Day. This is why he is sending his personal militia to harass peaceful protestors rather than focusing on bringing the real criminals to justice. He doesn’t care if people in Germany would cheer him on, because of course Germans don’t vote in American elections.