mmm so Susanan i take it you think Augusta’s membership policy is OK
IANAM, but I would think removing the originally posted by part should do it?
Not that I doubt you, but I hadn’t heard that it was outdated.
When I was young, I was a serious tomboy… but I was never an athlete. Don’t think the term fits. Sorry.
As for the women’s gym thing… well my neighbor’s husband would never let her attend a mixed gym. And yes, I mean it when I say “let”. If she were to do that, he would probably divorce her. Yeah, it’s technically a choice, but it isn’t really a choice. I mean, not walking into traffic is a choice, too.
My neighbor has never been swimming, for example. Never. If there were an all-women place with a pool, she could do it, though.
only if you want to keep your girlish figure…
should a girl be able to join the boys scouts?
Should there be a male waiter at hooters?
Should a female applicant be allowed to be a firefighter even if she cannot lift as much as the weakest male applicant?
Should white teenagers who hate rap music wear hip-hop clothes?
Forcing an establishment to change their ways to accomodate your selfish needs may be legal but thats why we hate lawyers and thats why the women at “Curves” will hate you if you try to stick it where it aint wanted.
If you want to join the club because it provides a services that you wish to purchase, then I say go for it.
If you are only doing it to expose the hypocracy of gender politics then I say GO FOR IT!!!
If nothing else it would fun (at least to me) to see them twist in the wind a little as the oppressor/discriminator for a change.
Maybe when they say “We just want a place where woman can be woman and not have men around”, they’ll understand why we want places where “We just want to be men without women around”.
Its not a bad thing. Every once in while you just wanna be yourself and hang out and be with people who are like you and share a common set of experiences.
In other words: RELAX
I can do the OP one better, last year I WON a membership to Curves.
Me, the 6 foot, 190 pound, mustached, deep-voiced GUY.
My first name is androgynous (if you are old enough to know all the words to “Happy Trails”) so I didn’t get put back into the drawing for a trip to Hawaii (bastards).
I called Curves and asked about it. They told me I’d be welcome to join, but that it was a low-intensity workout for “women of a certain age and body type” (my phrase, not theirs). They let me give the membership to the mother of a cow-orker.
Curves is for women, my golf league is for men. I am X levels of fitness above the workout at Curves, most women golfers couldn’t keep up with the level and pace of play in my golf league (nor would they want to drink that much beer).
We should have and allow gender specific clubs/facilities, etc. They exist for reasons.
Aususta’s membership policy is clearly illegal, unlawful, and discriminatory, if anybody should be in jail, it should be those who violating the rights of women.
There is absoultely nothing about playing golf which requires a male biological sex body part.
Thank you.
The term “tomboy” is still in common use over here, and nobody I know finds that term, nor the behavior of females who are tomboyish, offensive in any way by either women or men. In fact, many, many mothers and fathers are proud of daughters who display tomboyish characteristics and encourage them to do so.
The term “sissy boy” is also still in use here, and any boy who wears dresses or plays with dolls is considered offensive and shamefull by nearly all, both men and women, mothers and fathers.
As far as the legality goes, I can only speak for Ontario, where you would be s.o.l. because Ontario’s Human Rights Code that otherwise prohibits discrimination on the grounds of sex has exemptions which permit such discrimination if it is (s.20(1)) a matter of public decency or (s.20(3)) a recreational club. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms prohibits discrimination of the grounds of sex, but does not apply to private clubs because the Charter deals with the relations between people and the government, rather than relations among people. This has been tested up to the Ontario Court of Appeal in Blainey, and the Supreme Court of Canada has declined to hear a further appeal.
I (a male) train with a couple of dozen women. A positive dynamic of mutual respect, friendship and trust is necessary. I most strongly recommend against trying to push one’s way into a women’s workout, for it would destroy the ambiance. If gender segregation is not for you, it is better to join a mixed workout or wait until a women’s group invites you.
Remember that there may be a range of issues, from communication patterns to body image to violence against women, that may draw individual women together into a group that excludes men. It is not for you to try to disrupt this.