Should Non-Citzens be allows to vote? One USA state ( California ) says YES.

Why? C’mon. The OP posted old, fake clickbait bullshit in lieu of a decent discussion. If your OP can be completely debunked by linking to a Snopes article, the thread can reasonably be closed. Or you can at least change the title to reflect the fact that it’s totally nonsense.

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I was eligible to vote in all UK election; our Student Halls would register us on the roles automatically if we qualified…
I never did since I felt it was inappropriate for a foreign national…but yes another view is on reasonable men can hold.

Is this a poll, or are you to trying to determine who should be lined up and shot?

The question is simple. Should non-citizens be allowed to vote in USA elections?

In this case for school boards, but its a slippery slope.

I say no, only USA citizens should be allowed to vote in local, state or federal elections.

Why?

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Do you believe local municipalities should be legally prevented from allowing this, or do you believe that if local institutions, like school boards, want to extend the right to vote, they can, but they shouldn’t.

Whichever you believe, why?

Citation needed. :rolleyes:

Can you explain why you think this is a slippery slope? I think there’s a clear difference between school board elections and other elections. For example, in my town, they are held on different days – state and federal elections are held on, well, Election Day and school board elections are held on another day. This doesn’t seem like a slippery slope at all.

People who live in a community and send their kids to local schools and pay local taxes seem like they should have the ability to say how very local issues are resolved. I think it’s a big leap to go from there to voting for governor, senator, or president.

What you stated in your OP was that the signing of Assembly Bill 1461 in California allowed this to happen. Will you now retract that statement of “fact”?

It is not a slippery slope. Non-citizens are barred from state and federal elections.

The OP is like Facebook clickbait: “Should they play the national anthem before sporting events?” or “Should they say the pledge of allegiance in school?” Let’s get all excited about something that is not a problem.

Well, I guess you’ll be happy to know that this apparently remains the case.

Anyway, you seem to be conflating both legal and non-legal immigrants. I know of no large cohort of citizens who think that voting by non-legal immigrants should be allowed. Have you heard otherwise?

I don’t have a strong objection to legal permanent residents being allowed to vote at all levels. If you have some sort of argument in opposition, I’m listening.

Suppose that a state really did pass a law allowing non-citizens to vote in that state’s elections (and remember, there are no federal elections in the US): So what? Is it not within a state’s rights to make that decision? Maybe you think it’s an unwise decision, and maybe you’d vote against your state doing so (or would vote for elected officials who would vote against it), but if someone else disagrees, is that a problem?

So you are against states rights?

Language question:
You don’t consider elections to Congress and the Senate in DC to be “federal”, or the Presidential election? In other countries that’s what we are talking about when we say “national” or “federal” elections, even though the “electoral districts” may not be the whole country; depending on the country and election, they may be the local equivalent of a State, or they can be smaller. What we are talking about when we say “federal” or “national” is the level at which the elected people are expected to work, not the size of the electoral territory.

Elections to congress and the presidency are considered election of **state **representatives for congress and state representation to the Electoral College for the presidency. Weird huh?
N.B. Canadian possibly talking nonsense. :slight_smile:

There are no federally run elections in the US. Elections for federal offices, including the president, are run individually by the states.

There are some federal laws that apply to state-run elections, but the feds don’t finance or administer elections.

Do you realize that the scary “slippery slope” is a logical fallacy, just like many other illogical statements made by people who don’t know better?

Elections in my home town are run by my home town. But we still consider them to be local, provincial, regional, national or european.

I was just clarifying what the poster should have said. It’s not uncommon to call a presidential election a “federal election” in the US, but some folks will take offense at the implication that the feds are actually running the election. That never happens in the US, as it often does in other countries.

Federal law rules election to federal office - thus the existence of a Federal Elections Commission. The states still run the elections, sure. But the state’s representatives and senators in Congress are federal officials (they do NOT swear fidelity to their State constitutions), paid out of the federal budget, and Federal Law has something to say about what happens.

In any case…

For strictly local or special elections such as for School Boards or Water Commissions, I can certainly support making it extensive to all bona fide legal residents. For federal offices, though, they remain citizenship-based and I’m OK with that.

And if you are a citizen, then sure, make registration and voting easy!

Slippery slope, huh?

So what if the illegal immigrant lives in a condo with a condo board or a neighborhood with an HOA? Should they be barred from voting in those elections?

What if they attend middle school or high school? Should they be barred from voting for class president? The school mascot? What if their kid is at a sleepover party and the host asks them to vote for either pizza or burgers? I guess they should sit that one out, too.

The only message to be conveyed by keeping people from voting in these situations is “Your opinions don’t matter. You’re less important than the rest of us. We don’t care what you think”. This is just plain meanness - but that’s what the Republican Party is about these days.

Also, and I’ve mentioned this before — the Republicans are making a huge strategic mistake in assuming that Hispanic immigrants are going to vote Democrat. Well, most of them probably are, but only because the Republican Party is on a mission to make their lives as difficult and miserable as possible. Because they think they can bully them into self-deportation. Or dissuade them from immigrating in the first place.

For example, Cuban American refugees have traditionally been very conservative and strongly Republican, Now, they are a little less so than they were 10 years ago, but Republicans still hold the majority. Because most Hispanics have strong family values and a strong work ethic and tend to be very conservative on social issues and on welfare.

Traditional Republicans understood this but the “Make America White Again’ coalition is throwing this voting bloc away. Because racism