Should POLAND Give Back East Prussia To Germany?

That’s not what the evidence says.

Huh, reminds me of this thread in which Margaret Thatcher gets some (in my opinion, clearly undeserved) scorn for opposing German reunification. Frankly, I can easily picture someone of Thatcher’s generation, with adult memories of the Blitz and of parents talking about the previous world war Germany had started, not only being leery of its reunification but privately regretting that the whole country wasn’t run through a giant wood-chipper in 1946.

The thread started in August 2004. In May 2004 Poland and eight other countries joined the EU known as the A8 group. Free movement did not start everywhere at the same time. The existing 15 countries were given until 2011 to complete the process, before that time restrictions could be made to limit numbers migrating.

The main result of this was movement from East to West, economic migration from poorer countries to richer ones that had the fewest restrictions (eg. UK). At the same time, there has been a huge rise in budget airlines and bus services. It is cheap and easy to get across Europe. Sometimes people go back and forth between countries several times a year.

Whether Germans with a feeling of cultural heritage associated with East Prussia took advantage of this, I doubt. Nice for a cultural tour, perhaps. But a long term holiday home in sunny Spain would probably have a higher priority.

What is new is the rumblings in the East and Putins mischief making amongst the Russian speaking communities of EU countries bordering Russia. Many of those countries have inbuilt constitutional fault lines because of the way people were moved around during Soviet times leaving pockets of Russian speakers in many countries.
The breakup of the Soviet Union is a much more recent event than WW2 and there is no political process for resolving territorial disputes between Russia and other countries.

Does anything remain of hitler’s “Wolf’s lair” headquarters in Rastenburg, east Prussia? I imagine it was destroyed, but does any trace remain?

The same, of course, was said about the collapse of Yugoslavia. But we do have the Helsinki principles (no revision of borders, but human rights for individuals and minorities) which, however shakily, just about held in the end in Yugoslavia - not to mention (in the case of Ukraine) the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. There is a framework for resolving such issues on Russia’s western frontier in the OSCE. The question isn’t whether a political process exists but how it’s approached and used.

Partially blown up before the Red Army reached it, butthere’s enough left to visit.

Tell that to the people of Crimea and Donetsk.

I just realized that I responded to an 11-year old post. :smack:

That’s pretty much how I feel. Unless. . . .

Then we can tell the annoyingly passive-aggressive GEICO cave men to “go back to Europe.” :stuck_out_tongue:

If I recall correctly, that was one of Churchill’s suggestions: undo the 1870 unification of Germany, and recreate the components as sovereign states: Bavaria, Free Port of Hamburg, Hanover, and so on. Prussia would have probably been further split up.

Is there much development in EP today? the land is pretty fertile-i saw the ruins of a huge estate - it belonged to a family now living in Germany-the whole property was abandoned since 1945.