Can you give me any info about Asperger’s?
No, there are no good histologic criteria.
On the other hand, virtually all pediatricians are women, or short men with horn-rimmed spectacles wearing bow ties, who are uncomfortable relating to adults.*
*geez, I hope I don’t get sued for that.
That one’s true. Or at least it’s why my mother got out of paediatrics.
Short male, check. Bald too! And funny looking. Bow ties … sometimes. Always funny ties. Horn rimmed glasses … how about pince-nez? Close enough. Adults are tough; kids are fun, so check there too.
Truth is your defense.
Has anyone presented you with a large bag of gummy bears lately? Might want to check the label…
Methinks this thread hath taken a weird turn…:rolleyes:
It took one a long time ago, dude.
Yeah this thread just went all down to the quarry and threw itself in.
From that article:
*"Some raw milk connoisseurs and dairy farmers call for a middle ground. Since so many people seem determined to drink unprocessed milk and some states allow it, they argue, shouldn’t dairy farmers and health officials find some way to make it safe?
State officials and university researchers are trying in Pennsylvania, which had the highest number of outbreaks within the past five years. They are working with farmers such as Edwin Shank, owner of the Family Cow, whose milk has been linked to three outbreaks from a pathogen called campylobacter. The pathogen has the CDC especially worried because it has been the fastest-growing cause of raw milk outbreaks in the past five years.
“They shook us to our core,” Shank said of the illnesses. “We had to decide: Are we going to stop or are we going to find a way to do it better?”*
The better way to do it would be to shut down Shank’s business. Actually, he should be put in charge of running the raw milk concession at the Family Penitentiary.
Given the health risks (tb, brucellosis, campylobacter, listeriosis, yrsinia, e coli) and being fairly untrusting, I think if you want raw milk, from bovine, ovine or caprine source, you should milk the animals yourself. Cream top milk is available in WA but it is pasteurized. Raw milk is available at a couple of local farms, and they undergo rigorous inspection; one prospers and sells in food co-ops in spite of 3 shigatoxin producing e Coli infections in 2010. I’ve lost my taste for milk as beverage as I age, so it’s moot. I did enjoy, for a while, making curds from the excess milk when we had a Holstein heifer. However, attempts at hard aged cheeses resulted in stuff even the cats wouldn’t eat.
Or maybe he’d be better off living in a cardboard box on Skid Row–or pushing up daisies–hmmm? :mad:
You buy the rope–I’ll go find a tree. :rolleyes:
You know I don’t believe in capital punishment let alone in vigilantee justice. But yeah I have no problem fantasizing about some just desserts for those whose reckless disregard for others have put others at risk, have caused harm, and who clearly intend to not stop.
And I will advocate for laws that outlaw such behavior and call for fairly severe punishment for those who ignore those laws.
If that is buying the rope then I have bought it and await your promised finding the tree.
Let me put it this way: I strongly resent the attitude of those who associate marketers of raw milk with serial killers or any other criminal who possesses malice aforethought. Hence my sarcastic remark. If you can show me convincing evidence–including from this thread, in which case please give me the posting date and the post number)–that raw milk is invariably a health danger and pasteurized milk is not, and that raw milk is nutritionally deficient while pasteurized milk is not, I will relent.
Otherwise it’s just your word against mine.
Nobody has said that raw milk is nutritionally deficient, but it has been shown (time and again) that is IS a health danger.
Note that “danger/risk” does not equal “100% probability of harm”. It means there is a probability of harm, but when it’s 100% it’s not a risk any more.
If you aren’t convinced by the article I linked to that raw milk is not safe, then I don’t know what would convince you.
Find me evidence that someone has become paralyzed and in need of dialysis after drinking properly pasteurized milk, and maybe you can convince me that I’m wrong.
I would love to see which posters have argued that raw milk always makes you sick. Or that “raw milk is nutritionally deficient while pasteurized milk is not”. I think you are inventing these people. Maybe I’m wrong though and you can show me with links to the relevant posts, just who these bogey-posters are.
Of course, the term “nutritionally deficient” is meaningless in this context. No one food is sufficient for meeting all our nutritional needs; therefore neither raw milk or pasteurized milk are adequate.
I have not read any posts making the claim in your first paragraph, but that’s my point: if raw milk is not that kind of mence to health, why are farmers and retailers of raw milk being given the treatment they get? I never mentioned shutting down dairies or dairy farms, or imprisoning people…
As for your second point, this nutritional deficiency is something of a relative issue: the question of whether one kind of milk possesses necessary nutrients that the other does not.
Now I may be wrong about either or both of the points you mentioned above, but if so you’ve taken the bite out of your argument!
I think understanding the relative risk is important here. Here’s someone taking the CDC data and comparing risks by food category:
Also seems to overstate the relative low level of risk the other way. Anti-vaxxers can (and have) made similar arguments, at least until the cases of pertussis and measles started spiking.
So, is the low level of risk inherent in our current dairy system or due to the low level of use of raw milk? That really matters when evaluating the relative level of risk. If it’s the latter and not the former, the number of illnesses can/will spike if more people use it, just as a few anti-vaxxers could be handled while herd immunity was still in effect.
Seems to me that we can handle a small number of people drinking raw milk from a small number of local farmers (even if this still elevates risk) but we quickly run into major problems when we try to industrialize raw milk consumption to larger quantities. And that’s what history seems to be telling us. We introduced near universal pasteurization for a reason.