Should raw milk be illegal?

Alta Dena lied and lost in court over it.

Let me count the ways. And you ought to go back to grade school and learn how to form compound sentences!

Do you have documentation for this?

It does mean that believing it on his say so, over the data provided by the CDC and the FDA, would be … imprudent.

In short what he says is as full of shit as raw milk often is. Put it this way:

What he is, is someone who makes stuff up, his credentials as well as his “facts” and assertions.

You want to argue that those risks are yours to knowingly take because you prefer the taste … again, your right to be stupid should be respected to no small degree. But your awareness of those risks should be documented and your exposing a child to those risks should not be permissible.

Here’s the decision where they lost the appeal to the California Court of Appeals. (PDF)

If you bothered to read the link I gave, you would have seen they lost the case and the appeal. Which was linked to in the article.

Now, in return, I would like the links I asked for upthread.

Page 267 of the first Book of Lists, in 1977. Fredericks did not give a date for the statement in the Journal; his phrasing suggests 1964 (the book’s copyright date; my copy is from the twelfth printing, in 1971).

So this great nutritionist, who has published several books, is too stupid to properly cite his sources.
Haven’t found either cite online.

Have you found a rebuttal to the item in The Book of Lists, re the destruction of Vitamins C and D (made by Jeffrey Bernstein)?

I don’t have the book.
From here.

Not really a great source to begin with.

That depends. Do you consider Organic Pastures more credible than Alta-Dena Dairy?

Have you found anything further on the matter in the New York State Journal of Medicine?

Organic Pastures is a proponent of raw milk.

As far as the NYSJOM, only this.
Pretty much useless.

I’ve read the article your link leads to. It makes it sound like Fredericks should have been severely beaten or thrown into prison.

That said, can you give me a* positive* reference to a nutritionist, or do I have to run to an Independent Scientist? :rolleyes:

How about the FDA?

But doncha know that the FDA and the CDC are in the pockets of Big Dairy and in on the conspiracy?!

Much better to trust the information provided by someone who claims to be a nutritionist but isn’t, who states things that are verifiably false, because he might be right once, than to trust expert oganizations with their “facts.”

Actually, the article leads to a conclusion that Fredericks was severely underqualified as a “nutritionist”, made a raft of bogus claims about vitamins and minerals, and sometimes got in trouble with the law.

Not a person whose claims about anything food or nutrition-related deserve to be taken at face value.

Will this do?

You buy a rope, I’ll go find a tree.

It would probably be quicker to just feed him unpasteurized milk.

Point, set, and match to RNATB.

wildly inappropriate endzone celebration