I’m confident that virtaully every nutritionist alive feels the same way. Which I gather, is why so many of them would prefer that discussions of their profession and its practitioners not spend TOO much time focusing on her presence in their ranks.
“Dives?”
Given that the names you have so far brought up are people who have either no actual qualifications, or who are so infamous as quacks and sources of misinformation that they merit their own page on quackwatch, and that you dismiss peer reviewed journal articles, analyses by the sorts of expert bodies that real dieticians (an actual certified professional status) and even nutritionists (does not really mean any qualification at all) use as guidance it is curious to wonder what counts as a “properly qualified nutritionist” other than someone, anyone, who is saying something that you want to hear.
Nutritionists are not all quacks but many quacks call themselves nutritionists.
FWIW here is a fact sheet from the American Dietician Association
From the Dieticians of Canada:
I know … more crumbs. Lazarus is getting too many carbs.
Intersting (to me anyway) tidbit found wandering … organic milk is often ultrapasteurized.
Oh, another source fact sheet with references on the lack of any meaningful nutritional differences between raw and pasteurized milk.
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From the Dieticians of Canada:
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Wasn’t “Dieticians of Canada” a Warren Zevon followup to “Werewolves of London”?
I’m surprised dougie hasn’t brought up that ancient classic “Doctors don’t know anything about nutrition” (another pillar of woo).
By the way, a pathogen that can be found in raw milk was in the news yesterday (two Colorado brothers got probation in connection with a Listeria outbreak that killed 33 people and was traced to unsanitary conditions at their cantaloupe farm). They claimed that their operation had been rated as “superior” in an inspection not long before the outbreak.
UHT and apparently regular pasteurization (to a lesser degree) change the taste profile of the milk, hence why some prefer the raw stuff food safety be damned.
Anyone with any idea why irradiation is not used? Irradiation is known to not change the flavor profile of food at all, leaves no radiation in the food, and can, similarly to UHT, completely kill off the bacteria. Just a marketing issue? Cost? Some technical issue?
Is there a thread about these Pillars of Woo somewhere?
Probably simply that people are scared of it.
And I’ve been doing some reading on the web. Apparently you can render raw milk safe by heating it to 145 degrees Fahrenheit for thirty minutes. That’s a lower temperature than the one at which milk is pasteurized commercially.
Don’t think so. My masterwork, “The Seven Pillars of Woo”* is due to be released in paperback and as an e-book in the near future.
*inspired by T.E. Lawrence.
It would be awesomely ironic if you gave it away for free in an infomercial.
Well so far I know of three …
Collect all seven and you win a valuable prize. (And get to give Lazurus some milk to wash down all those crumbs.)
Does the handful of pseudoexperts equals an unsettled controversy count as a pillar too?
Or the “I have better things to do with my time” tactic when shown evidence that what they say is complete crap?
I may be up to five!
Well, you left out “doctors don’t know anything about…”
Six! Teamwork! I’ll share the prize.
Pillar #7: this person is a parent / teacher / other person with lots of experience, which gives them way more knowledge about a topic than some scientist with a bunch of silly degrees.
How about the “It’s natural!” argument?
“They laughed at Galileo” should really be in there somewhere. I guess it would fall under #2.
“What’s the harm?” is a woo thing.
Raw milk is not illegal anywhere. If you want raw milk, you’re perfectly free to get some land out in the country, raise your own cows, and drink whatever you want that comes out of them, and nobody will arrest you for it. This is in contrast to, say, marijuana, which is illegal, and which can get you arrested just for producing it for personal consumption.
It is, however, illegal to sell it. This is perfectly reasonable, and as it should be. You have the right to do dangerous things to yourself, but you do not have the right to profit off of danger to others.
So far, a thread about the relative health merits, nutrition and safety questions, and legality issues about raw milk have netted us references to:
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[li]the NY Yankees[/li][li]football endzone celebrations (*two *sports metaphors in a food-safety thread FTW!)[/li][li]eunuchs[/li][li]cabin fever[/li][li]painting sabre-tooth tigers on cave walls[/li][li]Lazarus[/li][li]the “Werewolves of London” song[/li][li]Galileo[/li][li]marijuana[/li][/ul]
… and yet, we still managed to stay mostly on-topic. 
This is one of my favorites (it appears in the appendices under “common tactics and tropes of the woo-prone”).
It is typically expressed either as “you must have lots of time on your hands” or “I have better things to do with my time”. Hilariously, these nose-in-the-air pronouncements generally are made after the person has posted numerous walls of text and been shot down repeatedly.
I bolded one of your statements for a reason: What you mean seems to be that you are surprised that I haven’t lived up to your wilder suppostitions, which would make me fodder for more of your boorish remarks.
And just where did you get that ridiculous term “Pillars of Woo”? :rolleyes:
“Dives”, FYI, was the name given to the “rich man” (for that is the meaning in Latin) in Jesus’ parable in the Gospel of Luke, Chapter 16.
Dieticians of Canada? Fine and dandy. No argument there about an authoritative source. 
Again FYI, I have been drinking 2% pasteurized and homogenized milk for at least 30 years; I am 6’2" and husky (to be honest, there’s a male gene, in my Mom’s family, for tallness).
My objective is to get the most out of milk, prepared for consumption by whatever means. I believe I have the right to reliable information–from whatever source derived.