Which Jewish BB athletes of the time were superior to black BB athletes? And given that the leagues did not mix, how would you determine that?
Are you reasonablly convinced that the sport as you see it played by blacks is about the same as the footage you have seen from the Jewish leagues (or even the white-dominated NBA)? This is basically the same level of play; just with different skin colors?
But thanks for the chuckle.
I recommend Jon Entine’s book Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We’re Afraid to Talk About It.
Perhaps you would like to post some sources showing these traits are similar between US whites and US blacks.
So if you have a kid with a maximum natural ability for BB, his best shot at the pros is to have him born in an inner city ghetto, running the crime/police/family/poverty/education gauntlet versus have him born to a stable and wealthier environment where he can have top facilities, coaching and guidance.
You think the whites who dominated the NBA and the NFL just voluntarily passed on fame/fortune/pretty girls because…they got bored of being wealthy stars.
When blacks were allowed to compete in the NBA and NFL, they did not replace whites, and in fact whites still dominate those sports.
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I maintain every point I made is certainly correct, and obvious.
Why don’t you start with your uncertainty about Point One, instead of just handwaving around as if these points are matters of opinion:
There are demonstrably different genetic differences driving demonstrably different physiological traits that are demonstrably significant for sports where blacks have replaced whites (once blacks were allowed to compete for the prize of professional stardom).
Considering the lack of evidence, these are matters of opinion at this point. I’ll go with the scientific consensus, which does not make these conclusions at this time. We don’t know anything close to all the genes responsible for various athletic characteristics, much less all of their frequency in different populations.
Lack of precise knowledge of general relativity by most of humanity and most of humanity’s history had absolutely 0 impact on the validity of the theory.
Another example: Can people precisely and accurately discern what aspect of weather and climate is being changed by human activity and by non human activity? Does the lack of ability to answer that question change the facts?
Lack of precise knowledge of the magic clown hypothesis of human origins also had zero impact on its validity.
These sorts of issues are different from race and genetics – I place a higher bar on issues in which presumptive differences between races have been used historically to rationalize discrimination, oppression, and brutalization.
Culture has been responsible for so, so many apparent disparities that, at the time, many people cited to justify differing treatment. I don’t think modern times are special; I don’t think modern opportunities are anything close to truly equal; and therefore I don’t think disparities in modern times tell us anything at all about genetics. Maybe some day we’ll have a truly equal society, and we’ll be able to evaluate disparities and their causes as genetic, or we’ll have an actual complete picture of all the genes responsible for various characteristics, but until then I’m skeptical of anyone who claims to have an answer that just so happens to match the claims of pseudo-historical white supremacists.
Billions believe in various sky fairies. People will believe as they wish often just for the psychological comfort. The intellectual contortions on this subject are just fascinating. And you reveal exactly why they occur. Fear of a resurgence of eugenics and other state mandated atrocities. What happens in society when science proves fee will is illusionary and life is largely deterministic at a fundamental level?
But I have no beliefs in this subject, just uncertainty, and an unwillingness to accept conclusions about race and genetics when we know so little about the genes for the characteristics in question. That seems entirely reasonable to me.
It does not appear that genetic explanations would ever satisfy you, and so you like to present yourself as just an open-minded guy.
L. O. L.
In sports where an advantage accrues to the faster, stronger, more aggressive, bigger arm-spanned, stronger bones, the genetic science gives every single one of those gene-based physiologic advantages to blacks.
Not to mention that success in these sports is a pinnacle career with an absolute requirement for coaching and playing opportunity in an academic setting. That is, you have to have been in school competing to even be in the pipeline. So it’s ludicrous to pretend that dinking around on the neighborhood piece of shit facility with your dropped-out pals while you dodge the police and just try to scrape by is the real nurturing advantage…
But you, of course, have “no beliefs in this subject, just uncertainty…when we know so little…”
What the hell do you think we need to know about genetics beyond which group has stronger bones, stronger faster muscles, more testosterone and a better armspan to height ratio before you can make a tentative conclusion?
White people dominate hockey and tennis. I’m sure some will insist this is coincidence, or explained by various cultural factors, and not a sign of the genetic superiority of white people for the speed, strength, skill, and other characteristics helpful for these sports.
There may be genetic advantages that whites have for those sports, weightlifting, and swimming. However, some of those sports are a bit more niche or s bit more costly than sprinting. So it’s even harder to disentangle the variables.
I’m still curious how it is that the laws of physics dont seem to apply to humans.
A little reading suggests that we have some small amount of knowledge (minuscule, really, if compared to the entire human genome) about a few of the genes that may influence some physical traits. Unless you’re suggesting that we actually know everything, or close to everything, about all the genes that are responsible for all of these traits, then no, I state confidently that we don’t know more than a tiny, tiny part of the complete picture of any genetic differences between various groups.
That’s not correct. Pre-integration baseball, for example, was dominated by first and second-generation immigrants (mainly Irish, Italian, and German) and farm boys. Then as now, professional sports was largely staffed by disadvantaged groups of outsiders, not “white culture” as a whole.
