Should the republicans distance themselves from the current president?

Well, about that…

So there are more similarities with Trump than less. Much of the economy was set on the right course with the reforms made on the Obama administration and Trump now claims it as his own.

Trump doesn’t hate America. He just considers it a useful disposable commodity for self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement, like the Trump University scam and his mail-order trophy wives, respectively.

To answer the OP, of course they should, but the interesting thing about the entire situation is it’s kind of a litmus test to see if Republicans have any integrity whatsoever, any shred of decency or concern about the fate of their nation. So far the answer is mostly “no, they don’t”.

I have nothing to add to the quotes below. I just quoted them because, well, they needed to be quoted, in case anyone missed them the first time. :slight_smile:

:confused: Sorry. I’d answer your question but it’s ambiguous.
“Should the republicans distance themselves from the current president?”
That depends on whose interest we want them to serve. Is their goal is to win re-election so they can continue to serve their whore-masters? Or to do what’s in the public interest?

The public interest is best served if these whores fully embrace Trump and thereby hasten the complete destruction of the Republican Party. I certainly agree that America would be better off with two political parties than one, but anyone who thinks the Republican Party still has any claim to be one of the two parties, has not been paying attention.

And that’s as serious as a heart attack.

Former McCain and Bush advisor Steve Schmidt thinks so –

I really don’t care if they distance themselves now. I don’t care if they openly rebel against Adolf Trumpler at this point. THEY enable him, they backed his play, they cashed in wherever they could.

If they “pivot” now, rest assured it is only to save their own asses.

I plan to vote NOT Republican. I don’t care if it’s a Democrat, Libertarian, Green, or Beer Party candidate. just as long as there is no (R).

  1. Remember family separation
  2. Remember DACA
  3. Remember Puerto Rico
  4. Remember Parkland
  5. Remember Charlottesville
  6. Remember Obamacare sabotage
  7. Remember the Paris Climate Accord
  8. Remember the Iran Nuclear Deal
  9. Remember “shithole countries”
  10. Remember the travel ban
  11. Remember the tax scam
  12. Remember Roy Moore
  13. Remember Joe Arpaio
  14. Remember the baiting — and then praising — of Kim Jong Un
  15. Remember the erosion of our best alliances
  16. Remember Russian collusion
  17. Remember the attacks on the rule of law
  18. Remember Stormy Daniels
  19. Remember the Keystone Pipeline
  20. Remember “clean coal”
  21. Remember Scott Pruitt
  22. Remember Betsy DeVos
  23. Remember our transgender soldiers
  24. Remember the national anthem protests and our shitgibbon’s response

This latest and worst outrage (but only so far, who knows what tomorrow will bring), stealing babies and using them as “bargaining chips” comes from the so called Family Values party. Sure, Trump did it, but they LET him do it.

I have to wonder if a large chunk of them are straddling that fence and trying to determine when and if to jump. I can’t figure that most of them are really on board with this stuff any further than it takes to be a Republican in good standing.

Shit, you just can’t believe in anything any more.

I can believe that many of them are on board - I think that the Republican party has been implicitly and explicitly filtering out its decent members for decades - ever since Clinton. It is entirely plausible to me that a significant percentage of them are actual for-real shitstains that I wouldn’t associate with even if you paid me.

I agree. He loves America like he loves a piggy bank. And remember, you have to break the piggy bank to get the $$ out!

I thought the link I provided in the OP would address any ambiguities that might arise. Perhaps not, though.

No, this isn’t the time to throw a vote away on a symbolic gesture. We need to get the Republicans out of office. And voting for Democrats is the only way to do that.

The republican party has been manipulating angry, racist white people to pass plutocratic economic policies for decades.

No modern republican can rise to prominence without being ok with that.

So I assume that is why so few Republican politicians have principles. To rise to prominence you have to be OK with manipulating angry, hateful racist people to pass laws that take away their ability to earn a living wage or retire securely.

In that kind of system, would moral people survive? I doubt it. Being a republican politician is a pre-selector against morality and principles.

No. Republicans are stuck. If they abandon trump they lose the angry, resentful, authoritarian white nationalists. They make up about half the gop.

Half the democrats are liberals. Imagine if a democratic politician could tell them to hate a democratic politician and they’d happily do it. If democrats turned on that politician, they lose the liberal vote. Good luck winning an election with half your voters gone.

He hates the idea that, as a nation and as a people, America aspires to be MORE than that, so I’m sticking with my characterization.

Religion is the opiate of the people-----it’s not a direct quote but close enough. My mother and sister support separating families. They claim to be “family values” voters. But that really means anti-gay. My brother doesn’t vote because, “They’re all the same.” But we jam on Sundays at 5:00. If you can figure a way to engage them, let me know. There are a lot more of these folk than you think.

If there was a relevant sentence at that link, you could copy-paste it. On my laptop, I hold down a mouse-button while sweeping across the sentence I want to copy. I guess it is harder on a smart-phone.

If you think we’re all going to click a link you can’t be bothered to summarize, then, I’m afraid, you have an inflated sense of self-worth.

I think you’re on to something here; I suspect most voters are probably one to three note voters, meaning that they have one to three issues they seriously care about, and they’re usually the hot-button issues- LGBTQ treatment, guns, abortion, poverty, race, drugs, law & order, and religion.

The problem as I see it is that when you’re a 1-3 issue voter, you are going to select one party or the other by default, and NEVER deviate unless they change their tune on their 1-3 issues.

I know lots of people who are in most ways more akin to Democrats than Republicans, but they have religious issues with LGBTQ stuff and abortion, so they vote Republican. Similarly I have known a lot of people who are probably more conservative in practice, but vote Democrat because they are anti-gun or pro-choice.

I’m not sure how you engage them exactly; the parties have essentially bisected each issue, so there’s usually a clear choice on each issue to be made.

As something of a centrist, it’s usually a very hard call which candidate to choose- there are definitely aspects of both parties that I actively dislike, and parts that I really like.

But I suspect for 1-3 issue voters, the choice is much easier.

I agree… My point was I’ll vote for Communists and Anarchists before I vote for a Republican.

They are OK with wiping out all social programs and safety nets.
They are OK with families being ripped apart and the children “rendered” to concentration camps (don’t try to sugar coat it).
They are apparently OK with a president who cozies up to racists and nazis (“fine people on both sides”).
They are OK with having a draft dodging war monger in charge.
They are OK with a serial liar.
They probably eat shellfish and pork too.
The probably mix threads in their clothing.

But they thump their bibles and LIE about fucking “values”. Fuck 'em. I’ve already cut off a metric shit ton of assholes. Fuck 'em.

I think you are right. I try to humanize the “other”. I don’t think violence is the answer. But I understand that feeling when African Americans are treated so badly in the US judicial system.