Should the right to vote be earned?

You’re kinda missing a point here, erie. We don’t let people vote as a reward for being good or serving the community. We don’t let people vote because the state needs the guidance of their wisdom. We let people vote – and weigh their votes equally – because, while they might not be equally civic-minded or equally good or equally wise, they are all equally people, and no one’s life is of inherently greater ethical value than another’s, and they – we – all have to live with whatever public policies our elected official decide upon. IOW, your say in the matter matters no more than mine, even if you’re a smarter and more moral person than I.

And in practice, experience has proven that whatever groups don’t get to vote – or get to vote but don’t get a meaningful choice – end up taking it on the ear. See Robert Dahl’s classic polysci book, Polyarchy.

Remember, also, that, in any case, democracy is not a theory of good government. It is a theory of legitimate government – a theory that, at least, has the advantage of being less clearly and obviously preposterous and/or immoral than any other theory on which sovereignty has been based throughout human history. It is the idea that the people as a whole are the only legitimate source of state sovereignty, and that their/our collective will, insofar as they/we have a will, should be done. If that also happens to be the best thing for them/us, so much the better. Or, as H.L. Mencken put it, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it, good and hard.”

Besides, farcical aquatic ceremonies are no basis for a system of government.

So why shouldn’t someone who elects to work in a factory get a vote? That’s work.

Why shouldn’t someone who works in a grocery store get a vote? That’s work.

Please, I’m really interested in hearing why working for the government’s better than working for Wegman’s.

I just can’t get behind the idea that I’m supposed to owe the country something. A nation is a tool. Its purpose is to improve and protect the lives of its citizens. It’s not an object of veneration. That’s like worshiping a hammer, or a pair of boots.

We do not belong to the nation. It belongs to us.

Wrong. Dead wrong. Unless you replace the word “nation” with the word “government”; then you’d be right on the money.