Should the Secretary of Education apologize for his remark about Christian values?

Drat! Next time, I preview, dog gone it. (That 2nd paragraph, which starts with “It’s also not a coincidence”, was my response, not december’s words.)

DanBlather:

According to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, definition j:

In this case the business is providing a Christian education. It’s arguably true that the professors and administrators must be Christian to fulfill this objective (as opposed to, say, the cafeteria staff).

I do believe, in view of the number of times I’ve said, in on-topic posts in this forum, that my own beliefs, my denomination (which is not “fringey” – it’s one of the major Reformation groups), and the common consensus of all Christians as to what Jesus called most important, completely contradict this statement, that I will in fact risk the wrath of the Mods. by inviting sqweels to

Bite me!!

I will grant that a vocal part of Christianity, including one or two Christians on this board, subscribe to part (not all) of the above Sqweelsian comment – even His4Ever, who comes closest (not very) to fitting that caricature, would disagree with at least one and I believe several statements in that paragraph.

The overwhelming majority of Christians believe either: (a) homosexual acts are sins, but homosexuals are ‘born that way’ and unable to change without divine intervention, and deserve love and compassion as human beings despite their sins, (b) gratifying lust is a sin, but homosexuals are as capable as anyone else of falling in love and forming healthy family relationships, or © “I dunno, but it’s none of my business.” The Fred Phelpses and Dr Chuckies are a lunatic fringe, not spokesmen for the mainstream.

Sorry for the hijack, December, but I am not about to let that bit of ignorance go unchallenged.

Polycarp, I think you will enjoy reading this.

It is arguable certainly, but would not the criteria be whether the professor could teach the curriculum? A non-christian that could teach what christian beliefs are should be eligible for hire. As for math teachers, I’m not sure how the christian curriculm would differ (unless it’s go forth and multiply).

In the same manner a fundamentalist new-earther that taught evolution in a public school, even if they did not believe in it, should not (and can not) be barred from employement.

**tracer **: "…Christianity is not known for being particularly democratic in the first place. Practically the only form of government mentioned throughout the Bible was centralized absolute rulership, e.g. monarchy. "

That’s true, tracer, but if you’re willing to go as far back as the fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeeth centuries, Christianity–particularly in the form of the Protestant Reformation–was a very important step in the direction of democracy. It has to do with idea of individual conscience, the challenge the Catholic church as an institutional authority, etc.

This digression is a bit off topic, but Super Gnat’s “reasonale accomodation” argument is really interesting. Here is a quote from a Catholic high school. I wonder what the case law is on this.

shrug I think the whole idea is to provide a “Christ-centered” education. I figured there was some reason they weren’t getting their pants sued off by the ACLU, so I guessed that they take advantage of that clause.

Re Catholic schools: Again, I don’t know how (or if) this all got hashed out in court, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it hinged on the “reasonable accomodation” clause.

Wow… great article, Mandelstam.

I’m no Christian myself, but I can certainly respect this stance.

Thanks, Mandelstam! Great article!