Should the thread on hot to bypass the China firewall have been closed???

Who was it in post #16 then? The post that stated in reference to samclem, “You’re full of shit.” Who was that?

That’s hardly what I’d call abusive; certainly not in the same league as “fuck you”. Nor was it “for no good reason”–I gave my reason above, which you would have seen if you hadn’t been in such a rush to kiss ass. OTOH, samclem’s only reason for his post was retaliation; he as much as admitted as such.

Allow me to be the first to say "What the fuck are you talking about?’.

WHAT ??

“You’re full of shit” is not abusive? Recalibrate your meter, son.

Only if your epidermis is of insufficient thickness. In which case, moderating a public message board probably isn’t for you. I’ll agree it’s not the kindest possible way to disagree with someone, but if your contention is that it’s just as bad as “fuck you”, then YOUR meter needs recalibrating. Son.

I’ll reserve judgement as to whether samclem’s original call was correct or not, but regardless of that and subsequent events, I have to disagree with this. I believe that samclem has been and will continue to be an excellent moderator overall, just like the others on this board, so even if he screwed this one up that’s hardly a good enough reason to call for his head.

FTR, I don’t think Q.E.D. has done anything wrong in either thread.

Your contention is that “you’re full of shit” is no good reason to respond with “fuck you”. I disagree. You seem to believe that while you are free to abuse a mod, that mod must be all sweet reasonableness while responding to your abuse. Wrong. Tough. Deal with it. Son.

I believe nothing of the kind. First of all, I just said I don’t believe that “you’re full of shit” is abusive, which invalidates the first part of your claim right there. Second, I never suggested that he needed to “be all sweet reasonableness”; I only said there was no good reason for his abuse, other than pure retaliation.

Your belief that that statement is true invalidates nothing except anyone else’s belief that you are not clueless.

OK. I take back all the nice things I said about you, then. :slight_smile:

Oooooh, you mod/advisory dudes are so cute when you tussle.

Just like puppies, only with less bared teeth.

:stuck_out_tongue:

Without getting into the specific issue of the OP, I’m afraid I don’t see this huge gulf in civility that you see between the two replies. If “you’re full of shit” isn’t abusive/offensive, I don’t see how you can argue in response that "fuck you’ somehow IS.

You’re not very good at this logic thing, are you? Take some time and think it over; I’m sure you’ll get it eventually.

Hell, I can’t resist that disarming smile of yours, samclem. I take back the “full of shit” comment. I still think you are wrong, though. :slight_smile:

Well, it’s just MHO, of course. But, to me there is a big difference between the two. “You’re full of shit” is just a less-than-polite way of saying “I don’t believe you”. “Fuck you” is just plain crude. I don’t see them as being on the same level at all.

Clash of the titans! Which has more powers, a moderator or an SDSAB? This was very entertaining! :wink:

By the way…isnt MHO and IMHO just city talk for “fuck you” and “You’re full of Shit” ?

Incidentally I think that the women on this board should stop posting. I’m sure they’re breaking Sharia somehow and I don’t think the Reader should be submitted to the possibility of a lawsuit brought by an angry Iranian.

That’s Sharia law aka Shari’ah law, for those nitpickers playing along at home, lest I sound more ignorant.

That’s one perception.

I believe they are both vulgar and both in the same ballpark.

Like most pit threads, this one is way overblown. samclem made a difficult call: reasonable people can disagree on it IMHO.

I for one wouldn’t feel peachy keen if the blue meanies decided to f*rewall this message board on the basis of its permitting links to problematic locations.

There are more sides to this debate of course – I’m not sure where my final opinion falls.

I can understand Google, Yahoo and Microsoft kowtowing to the Chinese; that market is worth potentially billions upon billions of dollars to them.

But why should the Chicago Reader give a flying fuck what the Chinese think of them? I really don’t understand Sam’s caution here.

Having said that, Samclem is one of the best Moderators on the board and to call for his resignation, as one poster did, is ludicrous.