Should we shack?

I’d like to get some Doper input on a personal matter. (Sorry if that makes it MPSIMS topic rather than IMHO; I’m still getting the hang of the separation there.)

My girlfriend of 5 1/2 years(Tamara) is ready to move from her current residence within the next few months. We have kicked around the idea of getting a place together next year.

Our relationship is wonderful, and perhaps better than it has ever been. Marriage is a foregone conclusion for us, and has been for some time, but it isn’t something we really want to do right now (for at least a few more years). Why? I don’t know–it just doesn’t seem right at the moment. Living together, however, does seem right, for reasons that I similarly can’t explain. All of our friends either think that we already live together, or wonder why we don’t.

Some pros/cons:

–While living together would save both of us some money, I don’t consider that a good reason for doing it. More of a fringe benefit.

–I like my current apartment, but we couldn’t live here together. This is a great place for one person, but if two people wanted to get away from one another for a while, it would be difficult. (Sounds pessimistic, I know, but I prefer to think of it as “realistic”.)

–I start third-year rotations in August, which means my life is going to be quite chaotic. On the one hand, having Tam to come home to every night would be nice. On the other, it might not be the best time for such a transition–it would be a lot of new situations to get used to at the same time.

–Family. Her parents wouldn’t care. My mother wouldn’t like it, but would ultimately be OK. My grandmother (our devout Southern Baptist matriarch, with whom we’re all very close) would not take it well at all. At best there would be much wringing of hands, and at worst she’d have everyone at Beattyville Baptist Church praying for my soul. I don’t share those beliefs, and could give two shits about what Beattyville and its Baptist Church think, but I hate to upset my grandmother. Then again, I can’t live my life based on the beliefs of other people. It would be possible, but not easy, not to let my grandmother even know about it–probably the best situation for everyone involved, but I wouldn’t like it very much.

Tam and I love each other very much, and this seems like a natural step that we’re both ready to take. However, we’re both very cautious people, hesitant to take any step without meticulously exploring the possibilities. Has anyone here been in a situation like this one? Any success/failure stories?

Bottom line–does this strike you as a good idea?

Dr. J

I read somewhere that people who live together before marriage are more likely to NOT get married or to end up divorced, but you have to make the decision for yourself. It sounds like you two have an ideal relationship and don’t want to rush, which is good. I say go for it. Once you start the rotation, you won’t see her as much. If you live together, she will be there when you come home and just need some good lovin. :slight_smile:

I lived with my husband without the benefit of marriage from 1987 to 1989. We married in 1989 and things are still going well.

Go for it! Living with a SO, especially one you have been dating for so long, can be a wonderful thing. I wouldn’t worry about your rotation schedule. If you are planning on getting married eventually you both should be prepared to deal with chaos in the other person’s life.
I am sure you both will make the best decision for your situation. Good luck.

Just to prove the appropriateness of the location of this thread, IMHO the statistics on folks living together and not getting married are not terribly instructive. I suspect there are plenty of relationships included in those statistics where one person wants to get married, has told the other they want to “move to the next level,” the other doesn’t want to get married, but doesn’t want to break up, so suggests living together. This clearly isn’t your situation. You guys sound just like my husband and me. We lived together while I was in law school, then got married. It was a great experience, we got to know just what it would be like to spend the rest of our lives under the same roof before making the final commitment, so we got to just enjoy our marriage, instead of suddenly getting shocking information about each other like he forgets to flush sometimes, and I leave my clothes in a pile by my side of the bed.

I say go for it.

I gotta go with AerynSun on this one. Living together as a compromise maneuver generally ends up as a disaster. You both are aiming at the same goal and you know things are gonna be hard once them there doctors at the teaching hospital get their claws into you; you’re worried about the effect this will have on the relationship. To me that means you’re going in with your eyes open and ready to meet any challenge your new life might throw at you. Seems to me you could forge some real bonds between yourselves this way. I vote go for it, and I wish you both the best of luck!

Well, I’ve been dating my SO for nearly 4 years now, and we just moved in together 1 month ago today. So far, it has been fabulous. We finally don’t have to worry about going over to the other person’s apt. to get clothes, etc. (we were practically living together the previous 2 years…apts right next to each other). It is a huge moneysaver, but more importantly, I love living with her. It’s a wonderful experience, and we’re getting along just as good, if not better, than we were beforehand. Just make sure that if your SO is a neat freak, you do your part. It’s been a great exercise in compromise, but one that I feel has made me a better person; it hasn’t been hard to do either. Go for it!

Jman

My parents lived in sin for 4 years before getting hitched. (my mom said one of them would occationally turn to the other and say “So, ya feel like getting married?” and the other would say “Eh…” and the first would say “Yea, me too.”)And they have been together for 20+. My grandmother was VERY Catholic, and was against them living together, but in the end, she’s not with us anymore, and they are still together. (that sounded horrible. But you know what I mean.)

The only real concern would be your rotations. As long as she expects the chaos, that should be fine. But make sure she understands what you’re going to be going through, and that even when you ARE home, you’re going to be exhausted.

Giving up the apartment is a good idea. I love my little one-bedroom, too, so I can sympathize, but it’s better to start in a neurtral environment for both of you.

Ok, how’s this for backwards…

My SO and I moved in together after one month of dating. (We knew each other about 6 months prior to our starting to date.) We lived together for about 2 years, and then I got pregnant. We decided we didn’t want to get married, but obviously wanted to continue with our relationship. (Having a shotgun wedding simply isn’t romantic, IMHO.) We had our son, and continued to cohabitate and function as a “normal” family. That continued for 3 years, and last February, I finally got my engagement ring. We plan to get married some time next year.

So, it appears that living together first has worked for our relationship. I am biased, but my bottom line is that living together without being married is a nice test drive.

Good luck!

As one who is getting married inside of 5 weeks now(Did it suddenly get cold in here???) I say go for it. I have been living with my future wife for several years now.

My opinion is that as long as you or Tam have no hang up over it…GO FOR IT! At worst you find out that you are incompatible and you don’t get married. That beats the hell out of getting married and finding out about your mates quirky habits that you can’t stand.

The reason most marriages end in divorce is the couples don’t really know much about each other and they can put on a front when they are together. If you are living together you can’t keep up the front 24/7.

Living together is like laying all your cards on the table. Here I am, here is what I do. Do you still love me?

No smoke screens, no bullshit just honest personality quirks shining through.

Good Luck

Sled

Are you the guy who’s planning to take up a rural medical practice in eastern Kentucky? If so, be warned that they are all just like your grandmother–they won’t be impressed by the new doctor who’s shacking up with a girlfriend.

If not, just ignore this.

Duck–yep, that’s me, but that’s either five or seven years down the road, depending on my residency.

Swiddles–your parents’ situation sounds a lot like ours. Glad to hear that it worked out for them. (Now if we could just have a daughter like you. :slight_smile: )

Everybody–thanks for the input.

Dr. J

(knew I should have posted this in MPSIMS…)

Actually, I wanted to add a point that came up last night. Tamara is trying her best to get into vet school, and is giving it one more shot (after three failed attempts–she has the experience now, though).

Should this happen–and I wouldn’t even begin to speculate on the odds–we will almost certainly be apart for four years. There wouldn’t be much of a way around it.

She worries that if we’ve been living together for a year at that point, it will make leaving that much harder. Then again, she says that it will be hard anyway.

I think this is her biggest hangup on the whole thing. Mine is probably my family and their reaction.

Dr. J

DrJ:

Obligatory personal history disclosure: My wife and I avoided living together for several years after our intention to marry became a foregone conclusion. By that time, we’d been through several quasi-breakups, a year-long separation while she was in Taiwan, etc. She returned earlier than she might have from Taiwan on the basis of my declared intention to propose marriage in the near future. I still had several things I felt obligated to do, however, before making a formal proposal (such as saving money for a ring). A little over a year after she returned from Taiwan, the building my apartment was in burned. Most of my stuff was saved, but I had to find new digs quickly. I’d been spending most of my time at her place anyway (I didn’t find out about the fire for four or five days), and so we decided, though neither of us were completely at ease with it, that I would move in with her. At the time, she was living in a 600 sq. ft. loft apartment, so we were in very close quarters until her lease ended the following summer and we moved into a larger place. The fire was in October, we got engaged in March, moved into another apartment in June, got married the following June, and bought a house that fall. We celebrated our fourth wedding anniversary yesterday, and have two wonderful kids and a relationship we’re both committed to making last.

I believe our cohabitation had a positive outcome because we were both already fully committed to getting married and making our marriage last. Neither of us approached it as a “trial” period or as a way to convince the other that our relationship could work in the long run; we’d already determined that through six years of dating, long geographical separations, times when one of us disappointed the other, times when one of us pulled the other through a tough time, etc. In short, we approached it as if we were already married and under all the obligations that entails. We (particularly she) had certain expectations for the way our marriage would be publicly solemnized and celebrated that necessitated delaying the actual event, but we tried to live up to what it means to be married throughout this time.

In short, I don’t believe that living together would significantly harm or help your relationship, provided that you already have that sort of commitment. If you don’t have that sort of commitment, then I’d definitely advise against it.

The reasons I’m typically against unmarried couples cohabiting are that too often one or both parties do regard it as merely sticking their toe in the water, expecting to be able to quickly pull back if they don’t like it, or they expect that it will somehow fix whatever’s wrong with their relationship or change the other person. One party’s not ready, and the other feels obliged to try to drag them along into readiness. Once they’re depending on each other for so many things, the stakes are higher, and it becomes more urgent for the more committed party to bring the other up to that level, leading to tension, pressure, and usually a withdrawal by the less committed party. The more committed party ratchets up the pressure another notch, so that the whole situation spirals out of control, feeding on itself. Since ending the relationship is now more difficult than if they were at least nominally living apart, the situation lasts longer and often gets uglier than if each could retire to their separate corners at will.

FWIW, don’t make the mistake of assuming that once you’re living together you’ll know what it’s like to be married. Everyone I’ve ever discussed this with who’s had experience of both states agrees that married fundamentally differs from unmarried, but in ways I’ve never seen articulated so that someone who’s not married could understand them (if that sounds supercilious or smug, I apologize – that’s not my intent).

As for the opinion of relatives, I was much more apprehensive about this than my wife was. This was mainly a result of my being from a rural Southern Methodist background, while she was of New York/Miami Jewish extraction, albeit having been raised in North Carolina. My parents were so thrilled that I’d finally pulled my life together and hadn’t let my wife-to-be slip away that they didn’t say a word. My wife and I had been to family events together so frequently for so long that by the time we moved in together, the subject never came up with other relatives. If it had, I wouldn’t have denied it, but I didn’t call attention to it either. Granted Southern Baptists tend to be more judgmental in these matters than Methodists (generally speaking), but I think you’d be able to come through it OK. I obviously know nothing of your grandmother, but I’d advocate not drawing her attention to the situation, conducting yourself in a responsible, respectable and respectful manner. If she does become aware of it, it’ll by then be a fait accompli, and in my experience the heat and noise expended to prevent something are generally greater than that spent trying to change or undo something. If you aren’t making a big deal of it, and if she’s worried about it reflecting on her, then she’ll be quite willing to keep it under wraps and avoid calling others’ attention to it.

Whatever you decide, I hope things work out for the best for you both.