If God didn’t want us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them out of meat.
But that doesn’t change the fact that Rebecca Francis is a worthless cunt.
YOU’RE made out of meat.
:stares at Enola Gray
It must be nice to have such a simple worldview. It allows you to feel so superior. Good for you.
What others “don’t get it”? It’s just you, and your nonsensical hostility.
I’m sure some other people might disagree with some of my opinions, but in your case it’s simply that you don’t like me, and want to take the opportunity to insult me without really addressing anything I’ve said. There’s no backpedaling or goal shifting (?), and you accusing anyone else on this message board of being sanctimonious or condescending has got to be one of the biggest laughs ever posted. You’re the one proclaiming what opinions people are “allowed” to express, or what they should be “charged” with if their opinions don’t meet with your approval. Let’s be real, even people who like you would have a hard time disputing the fact that you relish being a self righteous little prick whenever you think you can get away with it.
Whatever.
A bit more:
I get your point, Camille. I really do. You think that people should feel empathy toward other creatures, and that while killing animals must sometimes happen, people should not derive pleasure from the act of killing, and that if people do derive such pleasure, that’s a negative character trait, and you don’t want to associate with such people, and furthermore, that’s a character trait that correlates with committing violence. You think that it’s possible to eat meat and to condemn people who enjoy killing animals and not be a hypocrite. Is that about right?
As for you, Pedro, what the fuck are you on about? I’m specifically saying why I, a non-hunter meat-eater, DON’T feel superior to hunters, and why I think it’d be hypocritical for me to do so. What the fuck makes that worldview simple? ANd my contempt for camille’s fundamentally dishonest patronizing condescending way of posting only means I’m superior to camille, not to everyone else.
Yeah, but the bastard could have at least stuck some potatoes and gravy somewhere in their body cavities.
How ironic that the topic would turn into something like the OP railed against.
Most people are idiots online.
Have you seen the Dope BBQ pit?
I’m not Camille (obviously), but I am a meat eater, and you’ve summarized my stance on the subject fairly well.
At a very young age I’ve personally witnessed the slaughter, dressing, butchering and cooking of various farm animals. Litterally farm to table. I have no qualms about any of it as long as it’s done in such a way as to minimize suffering for the animal. I do not look down on people whose job it is to make sure that my freezer is stocked with various meat products. However, I do look down on and judge those who not only take obvious pleasure in the killing of animals primarily for sport but also pose for glib selfies with their ghoulish trophies. Frankly, it demostrates a lack of empathy that I consider to be evidence of low quality of character.
There already full of Chitlins. What else do you want?
First, I appreciate the way you phrase your disagreement; you’re not doing it in the condescending manner that gets up my nose with Camille.
Second, the crux of our disagreement, I believe, is over whether empathy is a good thing in itself, or good only in its effects. You seem to be in the former group, whereas I’m in the latter group.
Empathy may lead to treating others with kindness-but it also may not. I’d rather be treated well by someone with no empathy for me than treated poorly by someone with plenty of empathy. And I think virtually everyone would agree, including cows and giraffes.
This is not a wild idea. Tom Reagan, author of The Case for Animal Rights, makes a similar point in his critique of the anti-cruelty movement: since cruelty is a state of mind of the perpetrator, it is only tangentially related ot the question of how one ought to treat others. Steven Pinker, in The Better Angels of Our Nature, offers in one section a pretty compelling case against putting too much emphasis on empathy.
I’m not saying that because these two folks have argued against overemphasizing empathy you ought to be convinced, merely saying that I’m not exactly pulling this idea out of my butt.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Left Hand of Dorkness and camille are going to end up at Motel 6 tonight with a 5th of Jack and a roll of quarters for the vibrating bed???
Is it just me or does anyone else think this joke stopped being original or funny the second time someone told it? If you want to make a funny, you gotta try harder than that.
And I’m not saying that empathy should be the the top most concern with respect to treatment of animals in all cases. Clearly I have expressed no qualms about being at the top of the food chain and using animals as a primary food source. What I am saying is that hunting and gleefully displaying dead animals as trophies shows a type of base depravity that I find grossly inappropriate. The fact that those who engage in this behaviour don’t understand this is not surprising. But I hope we can agree that while overemphasis of empathy is not necessarily a good thing (esp. from an evolutionary p.o.v.), underemphasis is potentially a sign of a more serious character flaw.
I want the fixins’ that go with the chitlins, of course. God should have made pig livers out of greens, spleens out of sweet potatoes, blood out of gravy, corn-bread brains and their damned feet should come already pickled.
Can you explain why this photo in the OP is a problem, but this is not showing base depravity? I get having an emotional response to the first but not the second, but I’m not seeing a rational difference between the two pictures.
Keep in mind that I’ve never hunted (much less posed next to a picture of an animal I killed), whereas I have grilled burgers and grinningly presented them to my friends and family. My view on this is not based on what I’ve personally done.
I imagine that to an over-sensitive animal rights activist, this is probably just as disturbing as posing next to a freshly killed zebra. But to you and me, this is several levels removed from the corpse of a freshly killed animal. AND It’s about to be overcooked if you don’t stop posing for pictures and focus on your job. 
I believe it’s similar to seeing the skeletal remains of a human who died 500 years ago compared to the image of a pale and bloated drowning victim being pulled out of the surf; the more relatable, the more visceral the reaction. It’s the underlying principal of empathy, I believe.
You just said eating meat is no more ethical than trophy hunting. That’s pretty fucking ridiculous.
I wasn’t defending camille’s arguments. She’s just a zany peace and love type. I agree with a lot of what Quicksilver said.
I agree with you that all meat eaters are (morally) hunters in some way. But it’s very simplistic to see all hunters as morally equivalent and reduce all harm to an animal’s soul candle that extinguished itself.
It’s just you.
But, ok, how about: is it just me or does anyone else think Left Hand of Dorkness is going to wake up with a severed giraffe head in his bed because camille made him an offer he couldn’t refuse, yet he refused???