Shut up. You DO TOO need anti-static protection!

I was telling somebody about this interesting high-intensity LED that I had received. With his typical curiosity, he said, “Can I see it?” I replied, “No, I’d rather not. It’s a static-sensitive device; that’s why it’s enclosed in an anti-static bag. I’d rather wait until I have it under controlled conditions before opening it up.”

He shot back, “That’s stupid! People handle electronics all the time, and they’re not going to get fried from a little static electricity. Not unless you have nanometer-sized transistors in their.”

“It’s not that simple,” I replied. “It’s not just a matter of device size. You also have to consider the type of device and the materials used. For example, CMOS devices are notoriously static-sensitive, whereas TTL devices are not.”

“But people handle LEDs all the time with any of this anti-static nonsense.”

“Your run-off-the-mill LEDs, perhaps. Not all LEDs are alike. Some of the more modern types are much more vulnerable to static discharge.”

He said, “You know what? I know people who handle blood samples with a lot of ceremony and ritual, whereas others don’t. We just don’t need to be that complicated.”

“And how is that relevant?” I asked. “Blood and circuitry are two different things. Let’s say that those people are indeed overly cautious. How does this prove that static electricity is not a problem when handling electronic devices?”

“Look, our company has built hundreds of computers. We’ve never, ever had a problem with static electricity.”

“So what?” I said. “That’s like saying that you’ve driven thousands of miles without a seatbelt, and so seatbelts are unnecessary. You might feel safe, but when an accident does happen, you’re going to feel differently. Every competent technician knows that certain electronic devices are very much static-sensitive.”

He laughs. “Look, if it breaks, I’ll buy you a replacement.”

“And will you also pay for the hours of lost work, along with the damage done to my project’s timeline?”

He shakes his head. “You and I are both wearing cotton clothing. We’re not going to generate static electricity – not unless we were wearing synthetics.”

“That’s not true,” I said. “Sure, synthetics might increase the amount of static generated – but that doesn’t mean that we won’t build up any static charge right now.”

“You’re just being fearful,” he said. “You need to develop some courage.”

“You’re being needlessly reckless,” I said. What I really wanted to say, however, was “You’re an idiot. A total, blithering idiot.”

Wow. All that (and a pit thread) over an LED?

This reads like one of Pierre Bernard’s Recliner of Rage speeches.

It reads like an excerpt from one of Mark Leyner’s novels:

So, did you scuff your shoes on the carpet and come up behind him at his desk and shock his ear? :wink: Cotton, can get staticy, can’t it? I’ve seen flannel (made of cotton) all static charged from being in the dryer, at least…

In the Solomon Islands, I never worried about static electricity, the humidity is too high. Here in Alaska, on the other hand, you could fry most anything with an incautious touch.

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Not just any LED. A rather expensive high-powered LED that’s essential for an upcoming and time-sensitive project. Besides, it’s a matter of principle.

Let’s just say that I was really worked up at the time. I was urging caution, and he was (very publicly) ridiculing me and attempting to browbeat me into showing him the device.

Therein lies the problem. If someone wants to disagree, that’s fine. If somebody insists on pressing this point though, coming up with all sorts of idiotic reasons why anti-static protection is unnecessary… let’s just say that it can get mighty aggravating, mighty fast.

All that nonsense about how some people are overly cautious when handling blood samples, for example. How does that demonstrate that static electricity is not a problem. Even a moron can see that it’s irrelevant.

And that nonsense about not generating static if you’re wearing cotton? I suppose that the soles of his shoes were clad in cotton, right? And that the carpeting under his feet was all cotton?

And suppose that I had let him handle the device. If it were damaged, would I get to take its price (along with the hours of lost work time) out of his hide? I suppose that if no static-induced damage had occurred, he would be crowing, “See? I told you so! Static electricity does not damage electronics!”

Idiot. Moron. Blithering buffoon.

Well, if I was holding an extremely expensive widget in my hand, and knew it was sensitive to static, I’d be extremely paranoid about exposing it to static, too. Or if I was holding an extremely expensive widget in my hand that was sensitive to, say, humidity, or cigarette smoke, I’d coldly ignore someone who jovially insisted that I bring it into a locker room, or a bingo hall.

So in that non-techie respect, the guy merits the “idiot” tag, because it’s just ordinary common sense. That “aw, c’mon, it won’t hurt” attitude rarely does anybody any good, in any situation.

I’m not an advocate for physical violence, but there are some occasions in life where a right hook is completely justified. Nay, it’s demanded.

A drunken stranger gropes your wife’s ass.
A smart aleck kid calls your mama a fat ho.
A co-worker demands to see your high-intensity static sensitive LED in an uncontrolled ion-chaotic environment.

I’ve lost all respect for you.

Your post suggests at least two more reasons for violence:
A co-worker demands to see your wife’s ass in an uncontrolled ion-chaotic environment.
A drunken stranger gropes your static sensitive LED .

How bout a smart aleck kid gropes your mama’s static sensitive LED while a drunken co-worker fondles your wife’s ass while calling a drunken stranger a fat 'ho?

You right.

He wrong.
(I pithy)

It reads like a “do I really have to wear a condom?” discussion.

Fifty cents says he tries to sneak a peek at it anyhow, now.

This is why I love this place.

Does it incorporate an electron sorter? If it does, there’s no limit to what it can do. Laying a 4-lane highway at the rate of a mile a minute would be a cinch.

The datasheet says nothing about an electron sorter.

Frankly, I’m thankful. No single individual should wield that much power.

I have to admit that I’m rather relaxed in my ESD discipline - I’ve been known to pull very expensive boards using the “I touched the grounded chassis” method, but by Og if someone requests proper procedure be followed than anyone who argues with them is shit-sucking dick-cheese who can be dismissed with malice.

Fucking baby. “I wanna touch your LED! Let me touch it let me touch it let me touch it let me touch it let me touch it let me touch!!!”

Just out of curiosity, what makes this LED so special? How bright is it? What color? Size? Shape? Viewing angle? Can I touch it? (Kidding, kidding! :D)

When not in use, does it look like a normal ultra bright, and, if so, why the hell would the guy feel the need to handle it anyway?

Is it listed in The LED Museum?

I’ve never seen an LED that cost more than a few bucks (most ultra brights are less than a quarter, and even the brightest 5mm’s I’ve seen seldom run over a dollar), so, if you don’t mind, what’s the price tag on this sucker?

LED-loving minds want to know! :slight_smile:

It hardly matters if the damn thing needs static protection or not. I don’t care if it’s a block of wood: if it’s my block of wood, I get to decide if you need to take certain precautions to touch it. You may think I’m a fool for demanding those precautions, but only a total asshole argues with the owner over what makes them feel safe, particularly if the item is expensive or precious.

It does, indeed, sound like a “why should I have to wear a condom” conversation.

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