Sick of racist ethnic restaurants

Ugh. No, you weren’t being racist. You were offering information. You did not in any way attempt to refuse her service. You left her to make the choice. You treated her differently, sure, but you did not discriminate.

The OP, on the other hand, was actually denied service in the form of them bringing him something else and lying to him, treating him like he was stupid. Sure, being asked if he knew what it was made sense–make sure he really wanted it. Telling him he wouldn’t like it was borderline, since he’d told them he’d had it before, but can be justified by an overzealous waiter or cultural differences. But actually trying to deceive him by giving him something else?

I’m sorry, but that’s racism. The waitress just couldn’t conceive of the idea that maybe her stereotype was not applicable in this situation. It was worth lying to the customer and denying him service in order to hold on to her worldview.

That’s what racism really is. You won’t find it any dictionary, but that’s because dictionaries don’t try to get to the core of a subject. They just take a surface definition and move on. They have other words to define, after all.

They’ve really been on a tear ever since V.S. Naipaul and Onika Tanya Maraj…

This is a basic human rights violation being enshrined in culture. The most you can do is deny me service. The second you use “force” you are violating my basic human rights. Multiculturalism is not an excuse to stop thinking about morality0

Most TED talks are informative, not instructional. No one is there to change the world. You’re just being given information about how to best deal with the current situation. It doesn’t mean that the Japanese culture is correct in the way they do things. It doesn’t mean that less personal choice is a good thing or even something the rest of us have to tolerate. It can just be fucking immoral.]

What was described here was classism at best. The waiter is superior to the customer and can enforce said superiority by force. I am no more required to accept that classism as any other.

Multiculturalism is not an excuse to let the bottom fall out of your brain, accepting whatever everyone else tells you that you must. Respect for other cultures is not absolute.

This thread gave me flashbacks to when I was stationed in Korea during the War on Drugs. My mind and body was over-stressed and fatigued from the hellish fog of war and so I decided to use my 2-day R&R leave blowing off steam in Pyongyang. I hailed a rickshaw boy to peddle me quickly into town before Happy Hour was over, which was no small feat, what with the boy having a lame leg and all. But, luckily I had my riding crop, so we made it on time. For his ambitious peddling, shining my shoes and recommending a good local restaurant, I tossed the lad a few pesos and a shiny button (I figured he could save up and buy his parents driving lessons, or something).

Entering the restaurant, I noticed I was the only round-eye in the joint. Sneaky, slant-eyed glances in my direction from a number customers and staff put me ill at ease and really put my racist-ometer into the red zone, let me tell you. But, the waiter handed me a menu, which appeared to be the same menu given to the yellow customers, so I relaxed a bit. There was a bit of a language barrier between us; I didn’t speak Korean, he didn’t speak American, neither of us spoke Ebonics. However, through a combination of hand gestures and interpretive dancing, we broke the communication barrier. I let the waiter know, in no uncertain terms, that I wanted to be treated just like the local customers with free reign of the menu. He rolled his eyes and shook his head, which in Korea means, “yes, I understand.”

One menu item popped out at me, and I knew that was the one I had to have: “Raw Balut on a Bed of Charred Cuttlefish Tentacles with Saffron Emulsion and Caramelized Parsnips” (did I mention this was a pretentious Philippino /Los Angeles fusion restaurant?). I never heard of “balut” before and I’m sure you aren’t cosmopolitan enough to have heard of it either. But, through a combination of hand gestures, pirouette fouetté and a pair of Micky Mouse ears that I happened to have in my pocket, I accurately deduced that balut is, “skinned mouse carcass marinated in phlem.” I was in the mood for something mucilaginous and rodenty, so I ordered it. To my delight, the waiter gave no hassle about my order, he just gave me that affirmative eye roll/head shake Korean thing again. If he continues to serve me this well through the end of my meal, I’m considering a nice 5% tip for this guy (I figured he’d want to add it to his life savings, move to the U.S. and open a laundromat, or something).

Well, long story longer, after a few minutes, the waiter placed my order in front of me…and it looked and smelled absolutely HORRIBLE. But, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I’ve been to exotic, foreign places before and ordered things that looked really bad, like when I traveled to Alaska and ordered Peanut Butter & Jellied Moose Nose sandwiches (yes, you non-Americans are probably grimacing at the thought of eating peanuts ground into a paste). Looked bad; tasted great! I’ve also eaten things that smelled really bad, like Sardinian Maggot Cheese (hint: you can make a virtually identical tasting domestic variety of this by leaving a tub of Philadelphia Cream Cheese out in the sun for a couple weeks). Smelled bad; tasted great. So, I was willing to give this horrible looking and horrible smelling balut dish the benefit of the doubt. I closed my eyes, held my nose, chewed and gulped it down.

It tasted even worse than it looked and smelled, and the nauseousness hit me immediately. But, I was so grateful to my waiter for not treating me like some type of foreign bumpkin, pompously protecting me from my own ignorance. No racist was he! He treated me just like he would any other South Korean.

I was digging about in my pocket for that 5% tip when a sudden urge to vomit overcame me and I asked the waiter where the bathroom was. He pointed to a door with a graphic of a man on it. I waited a few moments for him to also point to the door with the graphic of a women on it, which I could now see across from the other door—but he didn’t do it! He did not give me a choice of bathrooms. He just ASSUMED that I wanted the men’s bathroom, based solely on my masculine appearance. Consequently, I left no tip and departed in a self-righteous huff.

Lesson learned: those biscuit-heads may not be racist, but they sure are fricken’ sexist.

Disclaimer: Some parts of this story have been embellished for the sake of humor and locations have been changed for the sake of national security. This actually took place when I was stationed in Holland during the War on Crime.

No, the conclusion is that you guys go to a hell of a lot of racist restaurants. I’ve never once been denied service for any reason other than food being out of stock. If the servers have racist ideas, they keep it completely out of any interactions with me.

I can’t imagine paying money to a restaurant that did otherwise. And I can’t imagine anyone I know in real life putting up with it either. And I live very near to the capital of the KKK (to the point where I’ve actually met some “wizards”). If that stuff isn’t tolerated here, it boggles my mind that it’s accepted in the supposedly less-racist North.

Hilarious, Tibby or Not Tibby, Now I want to read the rest of the book.

Worst case of discrimination I’ve ever run into I don’t even know how to name. Traveling with a grandpa, grandma, their daughter and her daughter on motorcycles. We stopped in a small cafe in an Amish town in southern Iowa.

We were the only customers in the place and they absolutely refused to acknowledge our presence. Finally we went up to the counter and asked for coffee which they begrudgingly served but offered no sugar, cream or spoons.

Nobody offered a refill. The message was clear that we and our money were unwelcome but I can only make guesses about why.

Are you reading the OP in your head again? That’s not what the OP says.

“Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”

Of course, the OP has told a story about being chained to a table while the waiter forced down his throat the meal he should have ordered.

Oh, wait.

But it would have been if he had refused to drive you because he thought you shouldn’t eat lard, right?

I was dining at ** El Torito** (Tex-Mex restaurant) in central Tokyo. I had ordered some corn tortillas. They felt cooler than lukewarm to the touch.

I asked the Japanese waitress, “Why are these tortillas served cold?” She said, “Oh, thats because in Mexico they are served that way.” Sigh…

I don’t see the relevance of your quesstion. The OP got what he ordered.

An attempt to get me what I wanted was made.
Are you saying it could have worked out differently and been a case of discrimination?
Yes, it could have. But it didn’t.

Unless, of course, I was in New York and the mayor was just worried about my caloric intake in which cse it wouldn’t have been discrimination but just making healthy choices for me.

This kind of gripe is light. Tell me which would you rather have:

  1. a condescending waiter who recites a page of caveats, or

  2. one who promises lots of surpises and gives you
    stewed goat innards flavored with fresh bile,
    a whole boiled chicken (whole meaning feathers included),
    raw cobra blood,
    a green salad with sliced bits of raw cobra skin,
    and finally a whole puppy cooked spanish mediteranean-style

Do they pronounce it correctly in Belfast then? If my Dubliner friends were to say the phrase “Three Thai Thoughts” it would come out “Tree Thigh Tots”.

My question was to clarify the difference between the situations that makes yours not racist and his more so, and to show how they are not analogous.

You asked the cab driver to take you where you wanted to go and he did it. The OP asked to order food and was asked five times whether that’s really what he wanted before finally getting his order placed. It’s the crap he had to go through just to get a simple food order that’s the difference.

Yes, the cab driver made an assumption about you based on your skin color, but it didn’t change his overall treatment of you. As a friend said “Think whatever you want about my race but don’t change my chances”. Serve everyone equally.