Sick of the term "atheist", is there a better alternative?

No wonder no one likes athiests, the very word basically says I am anti-god.

Its like calling oneself “everyoneisanidiotexceptme” and expecting to win friends and influence people.

Not only does the term extend a nasty middle finger up at the vast majority of the population, it also gives creedence to the religious majority by declaring that it is no more than whatever a theist isnt, thereby being essentially defined by religion.

I for one, do not wish to continue to indulge the religious nut bars of the planet by allowing them to define me as something that is no more than what they arent.

There HAS to be a better term for us. Enlightened? Too arrogant. Darwinians? There are probably athiests that dont accept everything Darwin taught.

If anyone can help out please do! What is a proactive, empowering word to describe those of us who are un-shackled by a religious faith, and are prepared to face reality with no predisposition?

Well, you could go with Dawkin’s daft suggestion of ‘Bright’.

You could just say “not religious.”

How can you have a word that means “non-religious” that isn’t defined by religion??

Atheist simply means without god. But you could say secular humanist, if you are.

I’ve heard “non-theist” used, but I think it sounds silly.

Exactly. The whole point of having a word to describe people who don’t believe in God is to indicate that they don’t believe in God. There is no unifying belief of athiesm that one could use to describe the collective group of athiests except for their lack of belief in God.

I think we’re stuck.

Now, I’m not an atheist; however, I have had my beliefs stereotyped because my opponent in a debate (or partner in a discussion) has preconceived notions about what a specific term means when I use it. Hence, I came to the conclusion that I attempt to avoid using words for which I have a differing definition from the norm without first defining it.

In your case, “atheist” tends to have an anti-religion stigma, as you stated. Any other term you use, that anyone would understand to mean the same thing, will invariably have perhaps a different but invariably undesired stigma. If you result to abstract terms like “enlightened”, not only does it have more of the Eastern religious, or new-age feel to it, but it completely fails to convey your meaning that you are not necessarily anti-religion (I assume), you just don’t have one. Quite frankly, if someone is worth having a conversation with, they’re worth taking the extra 5 seconds here and there to specify exactly what you mean and not using a loaded word like “atheist”. The same goes for similar terms like “religious”, “creationist”, “Darwinist”, and plenty of other loaded, but non-religion related terms.

You could find a euphimism of course, but, if successful, it will end up having all the negative connotations (if any) that atheist has. I have seen, in my nearly 70 years, “crippled” replaced by “handicapped”, replaced by “disabled”, replaced by “differently abled” and it is all BS. The problem is being crippled, not what you call it. When I was young, we called black people “negroes”, then “blacks”, then “Afro-Americans”, now “African-Americans”. The last term is absurd since we don’t call people of European descent “European-Americans” and so on. We are all of African descent anyway, if you go back far enough. If I turned out to have more recent African ancestry, it would neither surprise nor appall me.

So I am an atheist and not afraid to say so. I could say I was an agnostic, but that seems like a waffle when I truly believe there is no god. As for the origin of it all, I am truly agnostic (which means not knowing without any religious connotation).

Well, if you mean to say “hey, if you believe in a god, more power to you, and maybe you’re right, but I don’t know if there is a god at all much less your god” … then that’s along the lines of “agnostic”. However, simply saying that you don’t believe something that someone else does --no matter how fervently they believe it-- isn’t the same as shooting them all the middle finger. That’s what the intolerant would have you believe but you don’t have to buy into it.

Face it: no matter what religion a theists believes, most of the world completely disagrees with them. When I was young, it was popular to say that all the world’s religions basically taught the same thing, but the more I studied, the further that seemed from the truth. There are huge differences between major Protestant sects, between Protestant and Catholic, and completely stunning differences between Christianity and Judaism. Heck, not all the “major world religions” believe in a “god” (in more than the most vaguely comparable sense) and we know, as a matter of historical fact, that neighboring congregations of the same sect in the US often recieved opposing messages (e.g. the black church vs the white church in even the smallest towns in Alabama, during the civil rights era) That’s no accident: neighboring congregations often came into existence because of a fundamental schism

Most people don’t know the details of their own church’s theology and don’t really care – much less the details of any other religion. They know that the person in the next pew or family, much less the next congregqations, woul likey turn out disagree with them on fundamental theological issues, if examined closely but they don’t think about it, because they don’t really believe that there is a knowable answer, and they fully intend to come up with their own flavor of theism, as suits them. That’s true on every continent and every religion I know. It’s also why deep religious discussion can be so touchy, even in a church.

In my book, faith that can’t declare exactly what it believes isn’t faith at all, just a wish to belong, but that’s just me.

I don’t think that being a member of a large religious sect is any more ‘respectful’, just because you’re showing (slightly) fewer people the finger.

If a firm belief that there is no god or gods is important to your values, then be an atheist as proudly as a Hindu is a Hindu. if you simply doubt, then doubt, though it makes you more of an agnostic. How insecure does someone have to be to consider that a slap at them? Frankly, those who are offended by atheists are very often equally or more offended by theists of different colors. So who’s showing whom the finger?

I’ve heard the term “Freethinker” thrown around but sometimes it kinda suggests that religious people are not as smart or open-minded.
I like “Saganite” or the ever popular “Pastafarian” (sp?).

I often reply (to the door-knockers mostly) that I am “a student of science and mostly agnostic with strong atheistic leanings” and watch for the expression to change.

How about heathens ?

I’ve always liked “Heretic”

I wouldn’t mind using it to describe myself, but doesn’t it also refer to people who believe in religions other than Christianity?

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I’ve come across at least a couple of fundie Christians who described themselves as ‘freethinker’ or ‘freethinking’. They were about as dogmatic and locked-in as you can get, but insisted it was the right term for them.
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I think that is an excellent synopsis, with one caveat: change “God” to “a particular god.” There is no reason for the Judeo Christian god to be the default god. As it is Judeo Christian dogma that there is only one god, all who believe so are necessarily atheists when it comes to any other god.

The trick is not to let oneself be defined by a label. I am an atheist, but that is a descriptive term, not a definitive one.

Not really a General Question. Moved to IMHO.

samclem

A Fundie Freethinker!?

::head aches, eyes roll back, everthing is spinning:::

You could call yourself a materialist, but that suggests that you are primarily interested in the accumulation of wealth.

You could call yourself a naturist, but that suggests that you enjoy running the the woods naked. (Hey, who doesn’t?)

Myself, I just say that I’m not very religious. It gets the point across and starts very few arguments.

Well, what is this “God” in which / in whom you disbelieve? And how is the universe as viewed by the believers different from the one you believe in?

Would “empiricist” work? (I’m aware that it would not apply to all atheists)

It is worth noting that no one ever needs to identify himself as a non-astrologer or a non-alchemist. – Sam Harris

An Atheist Manifesto