When I bought my first house, my father and I took it out. They used a piece as a Christmas ornament for years. When my father died, I went to my mother’s house for Christmas, saw the ornament and started sobbing. Good memories of Dad.
I’ve worked on knob & tube wiring. Horrible stuff, I’m shocked it didn’t cause more fires. Stuff I worked on was nearly 70 years old, so no “insulation” left to speak of.
I’m glad this job consisted of removing the old garbage and using modern (1990s) cable to replace it. Also helped remove the fuse box and wire up the brand new Square D breaker panel.
What did the Christmas ornament look like? Was it made from the copper or porcelain or some mix?
A porcelain knob and a porcelain tube tied together with a ribbon. We threw about a hundred more of them away with the old man bitching and walking on the ceiling joists.
Definitely. And we didn’t save them. My mother came over and picked them up to make an ornament because he and his father make the same improvements in the first house my father and my mother bought 25 years prior to that.
When the local telephone company buried all of their phone lines (1973 or so), it was considered good sport to go out and take target practice at the insulators on the now dead telephone lines.
In addition, my older brothers and their friends scaled some of the poles to retrieve various size insulators. Those were painted white and black and turned into a chess set. I read somewhere that at least some of those insulators could now be sold to collectors - another profit making opportunity lost, much like mom throwing out our baseball cards.
Probably was. The house was built about the turn of the century. That is, the 20th century. And I don;t think it was built originally electrified. I’m pretty sure it didn’t have neutral fuses, though.
We must have had no good luck. Instead of shooting them, we took them. I still have a box of them, nice green glass ones.
I see the glass and ceramic insulators fairly often but NJ electrified early. The town I’m in had some electricity in the late 1800s. That was primarily for the Trolley though. By 1920 the town had a lot of electricity and we’re not really close the NYC.
I do that a lot and the kid says, “What, 2000?” and then I get slightly mad at first but then laugh and pat him on the head and look on Amazon for a walking cane and a rocking chair.
Yeah, I want to drag kids, orphans preferably, onto my lawn just to yell at them to get the hell off of it. Think Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino. That is who I will be in five years. If you ask my wife, she says I’m already that now.
I am confused. are you all talking about the third plug on a standard outlet or the inner workings of the wiring?
Most of my house is, if I believe the building inspector, probably grounded with the third plug on the bottom.
My basement still has some 2 prong outlets. there are a few that are “upside down”. I was told this was a legal way to replace an ungrounded 2 prong outlet with a 3 prong outlet, negating the need for an adaptor. This may have been grandfathered in.
I am thinking of replacing the remaining 2 prong outlets with GFCI outlets. They come with a sticker saying they aren’t grounded or something. Supposed to be kosher code wise.
Let’s say there’s a box with only one hot and one neutral wire inside of it; there’s no ground wire. Assuming local code allows it, you can install a standard, three-prong (hot, neutral, ground) receptacle in the box as long as it is GFCI-protected. And there are three ways it can be GFCI-protected:
The receptacle itself can be a GFCI receptacle.
The receptacle is downstream from a GFCI receptacle.
The circuit breaker for the circuit is a GFCI circuit breaker.
In addition - and as you mentioned - an ungrounded, three-prong receptacle that is GFCI-protected must have a sticker on it that says, “No equipment ground.”
They aren’t GFCI protected unless you have a breaker or something else upline protecting it (it could include that outlet) not grounded properly. Stated differently: You don’t get GFCI protection if that outlet doesn’t have a proper ground upline.
Aer you saying the neutral must be tied to ground inside the breaker panel? If so, I agree. Other than that, there’s doesn’t need to be a “proper” ground upstream for a GFCI to work.
A GFCI only protects itself and things downstream from ground faults. It doesn’t protect anything upstream. Is that what you were saying? If so, then I misinterpreted your comment.