I see some similarities between Nazis and many gun control supporters/organizations:
The Nazis were socialists. Many gun control groups support socialist/collectivist causes.
Nazis were obsessed with controlling individuals. A tertiary look at publications by gun control groups reveals that it’s really control – not guns – that they want.
The Nazis were fervent supporters of gun control. (Gee, why do you think that is?)
I wouldn’t go as far as blindly calling a gun control supporter a Nazi. But the actions of the Nazis - along with many other governments such as those of the Soviet Union, Turkey, China, Guatemala, Uganda, and Cambodia – teach us two things: a) Why governments desire gun control, and b) what happens after gun control is enacted. To answer the latter: It gets ugly.
So if you say you’re a supporter of gun control, and you claim not to be a Nazi, then I believe you. But my point is this: If you believe in gun control, then you may as well be a Nazi.
Clearly, you missed the part where I said that I live in Canada. Guess what - Canada has gun control, and things here are not particularly ugly. I could go and find crime statistics for a Canadian vs. an American city of comparable size for illustration and compare say “Accidental deaths by guns” for a little comparison of ugliness. Were this GD I would be compelled to do so. However, as this is the pit, it is my prerogative to call you a goat-felching moron instead, which I will do now. Sir, you are a goat-felching moron. If you are wondering where I got my information, it is from this quote.
The arguments you used to reach this conclusion, are about as cogent as the ones I used to reach mine - that is, if you believe the above, then you may as well be a goat-felching moron.
Crafter_Man, you diarrhoea-caked pig’s bunghole, kindly go take a flying fuck at the moon. Nazis were not socialists, never have been, never will be. Statements like that clearly indicate you don’t even have two brain cells to rub together, since any sort of rudimentary political awareness - and hence the understanding of the difference between fascism and socialism - requires at least that many.
I, like Palve, am a Marxist. Unlike him, I don’t support gun control laws - and DavidB’s Staff Report gives a good argument why. The Nazis used previously existing gun control laws against their enemies both real (socialists and Communists) and perceived (Jews). Which is not to say I think the proliferation of ever more destructive firearms is a good thing.
Just because “Socialist” is in the name does not make them socialist. It sure seems they were much closer to authoritarian/totalitarian. But perhaps you have a definition of “socialist” that is indistinguishable from those.
Cite, please.
By “tertiary” I assume you mean “your interpretation, which you are deliberately searching for?” Otherwise, cite please.
I thought Nazis were a rare breed, beyond the skinheads. Shows what little I know. Looks like we’re in the majority! Let’s take over the joint and make it less of a pejorative term, shall we?
Andros, Olentzero… you’d think w/ that many posts, you’d know what you’re talking about.
As Andros has already admitted, the official name of the Nazi Party was “The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany.” (But according to Andros, they were lying about the Socialist part. Go figure…) Hitler and his thugs wanted to nationalize transportation, law enforcement, health care, manufacturing, distribution, education – you name it. (And BTW: Nazi means to nationalize. But you knew that…) Furthermore, Hitler’s campaign strategy was to turn the workers and poor against the conservative republic, much as Marxists do today. They even called anyone who criticized them a “Conservative Reactionary.” Sound familiar, Olentzero? During the reign of terror, the Gestapo made it a point to seize the belongings of rich conservatives who had profited during the old republic. Anyone who did not tow the nationalistic philosophy of the Socialist Workers Party was simply “dealt with,” even blue-eyed German citizens.
I can go on and on, but here’s the bottom line: They called themselves socialists. And were they ever…
As I’ve said before, I live in Canada. Canada is a Socialist Country. We have government run heath care, education and social welfare systems. That being said, I am still free to do pretty much my own thing, as long as I’m not impeding on the rights of others - not unlike the USA.
As many people have pointed out, Idiot-bumper-sticker-owner has every right in the world to display his bumper sticker, and I have every right to call him a jackass for doing so. Were Canada a Nazi run country, this would not be the case.
Your understanding of politics is obviously non-existent.
In short, you are an idiot. If, in the future, you can provide even one snippet of clearly thought out information or fact, I am willing to amend that to say “In short, you are acting/talking like an idiot”. Until then, may I just say, that frankly, it is admirable that you were even able to turn on the computer to type that drivel you are trying to pass off as a post.
Um, AiW, the Nazis were Fascists. Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state. But they were also socialists. You appear to have the (incorrect) notion that fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive. Or that totalitarianism and socialism are mutually exclusive. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many socialistic countries have become totalitarian. Ever heard of the U.S.S.R.? Does Stalin ring a bell? I’m also not saying that, because a government socialistic, that it must also be fascist and/or totalitarian; I’m simply making a statement that Nazi Germany was a socialist country.
If you are too frickin’ stupid to be able to detect a difference between say, Canada, and Nazi Germany, then really, you are too stupid for me to waste my time on.
My own favorite part of Crafter’s post: (And BTW: Nazi means to nationalize. But you knew that…)
Yes, folks, Crafter Man thinks that “Nazi” is a German verb meaning “to nationalize”! As the rest of us know, in fact, it’s an abbreviation for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or “National Socialist German Workers’ Party,” the official name of the Nazis.
And the idea that the Nazis must have shared an ideology with the parties or groups that are commonly called “socialist” today, just because they had “Socialist” in their name, is indeed pretty silly—not to mention, as other posters have noted, overwhelmingly contradicted by the historical facts. By Crafter’s standards of reasoning, because (most) Chinese live in the People’s Republic of China, that makes them Republicans.
I agree with Muffin. You’re all a bunch of idiots if you think that because things share common characteristics, they are somehow identical, or that if things are not identical, they must not share common characteristics.
China is a republic, you dillwad! For that matter, so was Nazi Germany.
And “Nazi” was the gutter slang for the term “to nationalize,” though some historians state it was an abbreviation for the National Socialist German Workingmen’s Party that was formed in 1920. As Cecil would say, “I feel like I’m arguing the Pope is Catholic.”
As previously stated, the Nazis were socialists as we commonly define the term today. But if you do a little research, the terminology will become very confusing, and often contradictory. They were often called “anti-socialists” and “anti-communists,” yet they promoted socialist causes. Their main opposition in the 1930 election was the “Republican coalition” (the Social Democrats, Catholic Centrists, Democrats), yet any of those terms could be applied to them. Very confusing… The terms thrown around during that time were utilized more for political gain than anything else, but nothing can take away the fact that the Nazis were socialist/totalitarian/fascist monsters.