Skip Star Wars : Rogue One and go see La La Land instead

I’ve seen both in the theaters, and Hidden Figures.

Hidden Figures will translate fine to your small screen. Its a really good, uplifting movie that is worth seeing, but if your budget and time doesn’t stretch, this is the one I’ve seen that I’d skip.

Rogue One has all the special effects that make a special effect movie a big screen treat. If that rocks your boat, you want to make it a big screen experience.

La La Land is about movies, and dreams, and entertainment. The color saturation is beautiful, the music is immersive. Its going to be much, much better experience on a big screen, in the dark, surrounded by strangers - if that sort of movie - a color saturated movie musical with a jazz soundtrack and a romantic storyline - are your thing.

If you are going to see Rogue One twice in the theatre, and are interested in La La Land, I’d skip the second viewing of Rogue One for the theater experience of La La Land.

The dancing by Gosling and Stone was fairly simple. The tap number is something that could have been learned by anyone with some tap as a kid behind them and a little coordination. You aren’t saying “wow” the way you do when Kelly and O’Connor tap through Singing in the Rain - or even Reynolds less polished “beginner” number (which wasn’t much of a beginner number).

But they performed the dancing well.

Similarly, neither actor has a Broadway belt that is going to have them doing Les Mis. But their voices were charming and fine in context.

I walked away with a desire to have the soundtrack - the songs are Hamilton in their catchiness and originality, but they are enjoyable.

We just saw La La Land today and I enjoyed it. My husband was disappointed it didn’t have explosions. yeah, he’s such a guy…

I go to movies to escape, to be told a story, and to be entertained. This movie fit the bill for me. I don’t look for symbolism, I know nothing about camera angles or any of that technical stuff, and I don’t think it affects my enjoyment. I liked the singing and dancing. I liked the story. I liked the ending.

One thing that stood out from the very beginning was the use of colors in the dancers’ outfits. Always solid, always bright - kinda like a brand new box of 8 crayons, minus black and brown.

I don’t know if I’ll go see Rogue One - Honestly, I’m kinda Star-Wars’d out.

I agree thoroughly with MovieMogul. I will say that, though I thought I would hate this movie, I merely disliked it. I think it is genuinely not good and would give it a C- or so. I can usually put myself in others’ shoes and understand why they like a movie even if I don’t, but in this case, I am flummoxed. Sure, I can understand it winning some people over–it’s not noxious–but the raging popularity, yeah, I don’t get that. BTW, I love musicals, have watched a lot, and some of my favorite movies are musicals. So I was in the demo.

The Good

• I thought the movie looked pretty good, though that’s not the most important thing to me in a film: the direction, camerawork, etc.

• I found the dialog to be well-written and -performed. I had rather watched the characters, you know, just interacting more than all of the music stuff.

• I liked Ryan Gosling’s performance. He seemed really deep into the character. Even though I’ll trash his perspective on jazz in a moment, I liked watching him. Oh, and he wears killer suits throughout the movie.

The Bad

• This is going to sound uncharitable, but I don’t think Emma Stone is either pretty or a good actress. She’s being sold as a leading lady, and I think her perceived cuteness and ability are a big part of the success of this picture, but I don’t buy it. I’m not a huge looks Nazi and I don’t feel good about saying this, but I find her to be quite weird-looking and unappealing. She’s got those huge eyes in that small face, and she looked like she’d been slapped red and raw. She’s also got big, gappy teeth and lips that look like red worms. I would never say this stuff about a character actor, but she’s just forced on us by Hollywood as this It Girl, and for me the contrast between the sales pitch and the reality really grates on me.

• The songs were not good. They were also not terrible, but there was none I’d give a grade higher than a B; most were C’s. They simply lacked hooks and memorable melodies. I see a few people here saying they want the soundtrack, but I have not heard many (any?) critics saying the music was great or citing any songs as standouts. This movie will not be remembered as a classic in 50 years–not even close. The lack of good songs is enough to ensure forgetitude in a few years tops. By the way, the John Legend number in the movie, in terms of both music and style, is terrible.

• The approach to jazz in this movie is stupid. I’ve listened to a lot of jazz and, while I’m not a fan of the genre as a whole (though a big fan of certain musicians, like Herbie Hancock), I have a feel for its history. The director, Chazelle, is apparently a big fan, since both this and Whiplash were about jazz. But he apparently has poor knowledge and iffy taste. The Reynolds character has nothing insightful to say (though what the John Legend character says about innovation is true) and the jazz played in the movie is pretty damn square. It’s fairly safe and sedate jazz as opposed to something really energetic like bebop. In a word, it’s stereotypical jazz, stereotypically described.

• The moods are forced and fake. Pace those who loved the opening number, I found it to be très faux. It seems more like a concept for a really energetic, rousing spectacle instead of one that simply delivered. Jesus, compare that to anything in Busby Berkeley’s 30s movies. Those numbers weren’t trying to be anything; they just were. They were totally fresh, sincere, and most importantly, fucking awesome. Oh, and clever, ingenious, brilliantly choreographed, often subversive. All without being “meta” anything that had come before. That’s the real shit, people! The numbers in LLL were the palest regurgitations of the genuine. And the crap like them dancing in the stars in the planetarium. That could have been OK with better execution and had it been earned in the storytelling, which it was not.

• The story is half-baked. I won’t say it sucks. It’s simple, but I was reasonably interested in the characters. As I said, I wanted more from them, more with them. More of them just being themselves and not shoved onto the Procrustean soundstage. Further, while we get to see Gosling deliver his goods as a character with his performances, we don’t get to see Stone do the same. Why not show some/all of her one-woman show? That sounded more goddamn interesting than the movie we got. But no, it’s left a total blank.

• It really isn’t a musical. The numbers are not balanced and varied as in a “real” musical. The arc just isn’t there. There is no big production number to finish, for example, no show-stopper elsewhere. Stone’s “my aunt jumped in the Seine” number feels like something that belonged early in the story, not at the end. With nothing really to follow it, it’s quite anticlimactic.

• And people have noted that the leads couldn’t sing or dance. They chose to sell (perceived, in Stone’s case) star power instead of choosing people who could really knock it out of the park. And that is something wrong with Hollywood.

• Also as others have noted, the movie had nothing original to say or present, nor did it cleverly reuse old material.

To me, a fan of musicals, it just is very clearly a substandard movie. I do not get the appeal.

Agreed, just saw it. I haven’t watched any Star Wars movies since the original trilogy. I think they are films for a certain age group and you kind of grow out of them when you’re past 30. (Although clearly some people don’t.) I still love intelligent and thoughtful science fiction but in the main that’s still where it’s always been, in books, although there is the rare exception. But that description certainly doesn’t apply to the Star Wars films. They’re more like the Flash Gordon serials of the 30s, space operas, and equally ephemeral.

Ok… saw La La Land last Friday with my wife, and saw Rogue One on Sunday with the boy. Same theater, not the same actual auditorium(?) within the theater.

While both were entertaining and well made, I’m not a huge fan of romantic comedies or musicals. A lot of the shout-outs to the musicals of yesteryear went right over my head, while my wife got them all- she enjoyed the movie immensely. Then again, she’s a rom-com fan, a big fan of musicals, and a big fan of old movies. Bonus points if it’s an old musical romantic comedy.

I on the other hand, am a sci-fi nerd from way back (saw “A New Hope” at 4.5 yrs old in 1977 with Dad), and immensely enjoyed Rogue One.

Both movies are well done for what they are; it ultimately comes down to what YOU like.

I finally saw La La Land, and thought it was fine. I’m guessing it will win the Oscar since it’s about Hollywood and old movies, but if there was any justice Moonlight would win instead. It was beautifully shot, and I did like some of the songs, even though I forgot all of them immediately. There are songs from My Crazy Ex-Girlfriend that pop into my head at random times from episodes I saw months ago, but even though I literally just got home from La La Land I couldn’t hum any of the songs.

I thought Emma Stone was charming, but I thought Ryan Gosling’s character was a bit of an asshole, and I’m not sure how much of that was intentional. Him laying on the horn when picking her up didn’t help. And his insistence that the type of jazz he likes is the only kind of jazz that’s worth playing or listening to and innovation is wrong rubbed me the wrong way, and I don’t really know much about jazz or listen to it much. But the movie set him up to be right and for you to hate John Legend’s music, with the weird dub step electronic noises in the recording scene and then with the over the top show with dancers.

It wasn’t a waste of time, but definitely wasn’t the best movie of 2016 that I saw. Wasn’t even the best Ryan Gosling movie, since the Nice Guys also came out last year. If you love musicals you might love it, or you might hate it in comparison to other musicals, I don’t know.

I saw “La La Land” last night. It was like watching paint drying. There was nothing interesting at all about the script, the dialogue, the performances—Gosling and Stone has zero charisma and zero chemistry. The original songs were a chore to sit through. The dancing was like watching pedestrians on a street corner.

The sole scene in the movie that got me even a little bit excited was the pool party. The '80s cover band was supposed to be cheesy, but they actually got my toes tapping and humming along. The contrast between cartchy pop songs and the absolutely dismal original songs was stark.

“Rogue One” was by no means a perfect movie, or maybe not even a good movie, but it was a much more diverting experience than this stack of wet cardboard left beneath an overpass.

Another pan here.

I generally don’t like most musicals but I do like some. E.g., among modern musicals I think Hedwig and the Angry Inch is superb.

But La La Land? It’s terrible even by old school musical standards.

Why is this getting any award attention at all? The story (you know, the thing that a movie is supposed to be about) is barely there at all. Just tiny snippets stranded here and there. Hardly adds up to a 20 minute short if you take out all the songs and the incredible amount of “dead air”.

Yeah, lots of dead air. Overly long transition sequences. People just staring for a while. And on and on.

Of course it had to jazz. Of course. Anything else would be … innovative. Best to stick to the obvious choice of genre.

As to acting: Stone is a much better actress than what she shows here. It’s like watching someone in her first role. And Gosling is not just doing a poor job, he is completely miscast. This is not the role for this person at all.

What a waste of time and money. Be forewarned.

Have you seen this?:

Jazz is like nails on a blackboard for me, plus i don’t like musicals, i doubt very much that la la land is going to do anything other than annoy me.

The more I think about it, the more angry I am getting about how absolutely terrible this movie is and how popular it is. It’s a great big turd.

Not to hijack, but did you see Hail, Caesar!? If so, what did you think of the “No Dames” dance, er, number in it? I have been wondering what somebody who really knew something about classic Hollywood tapdance numbers would say about it. I mean, yeah it’s obviously a parody, but it also seemed interestingly conceived.

But I don’t really know anything about the merits of song-and-dance numbers. I haven’t seen La La Land and am thinking I probably won’t bother.

I think Aeschines captured so much of what i would say that more would be redundant.

The blowing the horn to fetch the girl was hilarious only because I watched the 1947 noir Out of the Past last night, and Robert Mitchum kept doing this. I wondered if it was another homage.

The article linked to above about the movie being just nostalgia for the white dominant movies of the pre-civil rights movement era was odd because you’d think Hispanics and Asians have far more cause to be represented in a movie about Los Angeles than blacks, since they’re a bigger slice of the population: and they are conspicuously less present in this movie.

I saw “Hail, Caesar” and quite enjoyed it.

Me too, but the Cohens are masters of making the inconsequential significant and interesting. Hollywood provided a pleasing backdrop rather than the be-all and end-all. Fargo wasn’t about the snow, The Big Lebowski wasn’t about LA and so on.

Also, I liked “Whiplash”. As a film that is. Probably because, as I really don’t like jazz, the music in it only served to make the main stars seem even more terrible for wanting to destroy themselves and those around them whilst striving to become brilliant at such a (to me) annoying musical form. My dislike for the music only served to enhance the point of the film.

We went to see Rogue One this weekend, and for the most part, I was bored. It felt like a CGI-fest with a contrived story that went on way too long. I was rather impressed, tho, that they didn’t go for some Deus-Ex-Happy-Ending.

My husband got his share of explosions, so there was that. It wasn’t the worst movie I’ve ever seen, but I definitely preferred LaLa Land.

Jesus, who cares? Not everything has to be religiously vetted to make sure that it has exactly the proper percentage of whatever race.

Is the whole “small town girl goes to Hollywood to become an actress” trope a common thing among non-white people? I know that some variant on it is common enough to have known several people who did the same to become writers or have other interaction with the film business.

I mean, they could have cast a guy of another race in Seb’s role, but why? It wouldn’t add anything, and might even detract, in that Ryan Gosling is a firmly established leading man and A-list star by now, as well as the right age for the part. Same thing for Emma Stone.

But, doesn’t that become a self-fulfilling prophecy, at some point? POC never get cast in those roles, which means that they never reach leading man/woman, “A-list” status. Which, in turn, allows the studios to hide behind the argument of needing a leading man/woman, “A-list” type to sell the movie, as an excuse to not cast POC.

How do POC ever get to become leading men/women, if they don’t get cast in those roles, because they are not leading men/women?

I wasn’t making a case for this. Pretty much the opposite. I was pointing out that an article on white privilege as it bears on blacks is making only half an argument. Heck, it you wanted to fault the director/writer, try to explain why a movie musical set in the L.A. movie world with nostalgia about classic Hollywood musicals had no characters who were portrayed as gay. And take his line about imagining the two leads as black and recast that as imagining the two leads as male.

There’s value is pointing out that the world isn’t fair or just or equitable. That value is lessened when you limit that plight to the world not being fair or just or equitable to “me”.