Sleep Deprivation

I’ve been considering the topic of sleep deprivation studies lately and there’s one thing that bugs me…

Most of these studies are conducted this way: Take some sample of people with normal sleep patterns, let’s say 11 men approximately 20 years old. Measure and otherwise observe their metabolic rates, reaction times, general alertness, etc… Then cut their sleep back to, let’s say, 4 hours a night for one week, and repeat the observations. Not surprisingly, they observe a degradition in performance.

Now I look at this and say, well 4 hours a night is a bit extreme. This is a lot like pumping 100 times the equivalent dose of saccharin into lab rats and saying, “See! We have a problem!” It occurs to me that there may be a threshhold where there’s a rapid falloff in performance and maybe four hours is well past that threshhold.

It seems like a better experiment would be to control the number of hours before the deprivation starts and choose a more rational deprivation target. Essentially, limit your group to exactly 9 hours of sleep each night for three weeks, then measure the benchmark performce. Then cut the sleep back to 7 hours per night for three weeks and repeat. Then reverse the process. 7 hours a night for another three weeks (for a total of 6 weeks in a row with 7 hours per night). Measure performance. Ramp the sleep back up to 9 hours per night and recheck performance. I suspect that an experiment such as this would reveal that the effects of mild sleep deprivation (that most people experience in our modern culture) has little or no effect.
Furthermore, and on a more personal note… The studies need to look at people like myself who, by normal standards, have been depriving themselves of sleep for years. I typically average less than 6 hours of sleep per night. It’s been that way for me for about ten years or more. I don’t deprive myself of this sleep due to some over achiever lifestyle, I simply don’t seem to require more sleep than that. Usually if I try to go to sleep before my brain and body are ready, I’m restless and I just lie there. My sleep patterns are sometimes irregular. I’ve frequently (about twice a month) stay up all night. Usually, when this happens the next night I’ll probably sleep for about 8 or 9 hours. The key thing is that I rarely feel overly tired. I never suffer the symptoms commonly associated with sleep deprivation. I never fall asleep in meetings (no matter how boring and monotonous they are). I’m very quick witted and my reaction times are excellent (based on relative performance observations). I lead a very active lifestyle with lots of exercise. I almost never get sick.

I have managed to accumulate several weeks in a row of 8 or more hours of sleep per night on several occasions and it is after this that I begin to experience deteriation in performance. In other words, too much sleep seems to affect me the way not enough sleep affects other (normal) people. I assume this is because, in these situations, my sleep is not that restful.

My point is that I feel very certain that if I (and others like me - I know of a few) were a part of these sleep studies, the results would be neutral or give the reverse conclusion.

The reason that I’ve been thinking about this lately is that my wife wants me to go see a sleep doctor. She’s concerned, based on the sleep deprivation study reports, that I may be killing myself. I’m not convinced that I’ve actually got a problem that needs fixing…

Joey- I apologize for jumping on your thread with this question, but it is very closely related.

Has anyone ever written a book with ways to train your body to function healthily with LESS sleep? I hate the fact that I have to get 7-8 hours a sleep a day. It’s a waste of time.

Imagine how much more productive we all would be if we could get by one let’s say 4 hours a night- WITHOUT feeling groggy the whole day- or chugging 8 cups of coffee before 9am.

It’s just that I am SOOO tired of when people go to the doctor complaining they are fatigued all the time , and the sawbones sez: “You need more sleep.”

NO DUUUH, Doc! What if we don’t have TIME to sleep??? Hey, it’s a hectic world out there!

Any resources out there?


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Much of the research in this area has been done by the military, the results more often than not classified. A good example of just how little practical return they’ve gotten from such research is all the speed Desert Storm pilots were popping during that campaign. I’ve heard stories of ashtrays full of amphetimines kept near the exits of briefing rooms. Sleep habits were so varied amoung pilots that the military doctors thought it best to just let them decide for themselves how much they needed to take to make it through each mission.


Elmer J. Fudd,
Millionaire.
I own a mansion and a yacht.

Well,
My wife, who runs the sleep clinic at Kaiser Permanente here at San Diego would be the REAL person who should answer this question, but as her husband I’ll pretend I’m somehow qualified to render an opinion.

Personally, from what I’ve seen, if you feel o.k. and get by with less sleep, then more power to you. You probably just have a more rapid cycle and are still getting the same amount of deep sleep that a normal person does, and I’m sure your wife is worrying for no reason. The problem my wife is most often treating is obstructive sleep apnea. That is, people who are generally overweight who have obstructed sleep passages that choke themselves awake (but don’t really wake up) so they never reach the true deep sleep stage even with the requisite 8 hours and as a consequence are always tired. Unfortunately, one usually only find out they have this problem when they get behind the wheel of a car and drive themselves into a brick wall when they fall asleep at the wheel.

I know if my wife heard your tale of 6 hour sleep patterns, but you were otherwise reporting everything was normal, she’d tell you to keep an eye on it, but otherwise not prescribe anything for it.

How about this from World Records:
MEDICAL EXTREMES : Sleeplessness

Description:
Research indicates that on the Circadian (Latin: circa = around; dies = a day)
cycle for the majority peak efficiency is attained between 8 and 9 P.M. and the
low point comes at 4 A.M. Victims of the very rare condition chronic colestites
(total insomnia) have been known to go without definable sleep for many years.
Who:
de Frutos J
Town:
Segovia
Area:
California
Country:
USA / Spain

This is strange. In my psychology class they said no one had ever gone longer than eight days or so…it was assumed going much longer would induce coma or something.

Um, Joey? If you don’t need more than 6 hours a night, then not getting it isn’t really “deprived” is it?

And, yes, I know lots and lots of people who are often going on 4 hours a night, so this is realistic research.

Sleep deprivation, even mild versions, if kept up can lead to little things like dying earlier.

Bucky


Oh, well. We can always make more killbots.