Small casinos and security

I was working for them, thus “we”.

Aren’t firearms banned from most Vegas casinos? They have big signs at the entrances from what I recall.

My impression from the few visits I have made to casinos is that they like the appearance of openness. At the same time, the cashiers are in a very secure room.

They like the appearance of openness, but not the appearance of weapons, which is why most casinos on the Strip ban them…which they are entitled to do because they are private property.

Of course, but as said, the casinos don’t seem to make their guests go through metal detectors on the way in. (Unless they have metal detectors but are subtle about it.)

Perhaps fifteen years ago or twenty years ago, I visited New Delhi and had to go through a metal detector as we entered the hotel and our luggage was screened separately. And when I visited a mall (mostly out of curiosity), there was also a screening gauntlet.

I have a friend who makes money playing poker. He routinely arrives home from a trip to Vegas with a couple thousand in cash on his person. We sometimes hit him up at other events to be a money changer. :wink: (Give him Zelle or PayPal or Venmo and he’ll pay someone else in cash for you.)

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. The following things are true:

-Las Vegas casinos do not allow guns on the premises.
-Las Vegas casinos do not have metal detectors at the entrances to screen for guns.
-pkbites brought a concealed pistol into a casino on multiple occasions.

I must step back in because I seem to have derailed the conversation towards casinos and metal detectors. Vegas and other major casinos do not use metal detectors, I’ve only been twice and didn’t really gamble. Must be a false memory.

The casinos in Detroit do use hand scanners to detect guns but then not all the time. It is after all Detroit. I don’t go to them often either as I don’t care much for them.

It was a mixed bag.
Some were posted, some were not.
But none of them I went into had metal detectors.
I didn’t see any places with metal detectors. Been to Las Vegas multiple times.

I did not patronize those that were posted even though the signs do not have force of law in Nevada.

Because they are put up by the owners of those private properties they do indeed have the law backing them up, and if the wish to they could indeed call police officers to come arrest you for disobeying those signs.

No, it is not illegal to carry in NV with license except in a few places like courtrooms, it is instead the crime of trespassing if they ask you to leave and you refuse. The same is true in I’d say most states, the exceptions are fewer. Including the “sees themselves as yeehaw but aren’t” Texas.

By the way, pointing out that they do not for the most part use metal detectors is a distraction from the talk about what methods they do use. No casino would be in business very long if they had to stop people and have them remove everything and anything that might set it off. It is not a gun detector, it is a metal detector, and that includes metallic dresses, belt buckles, shit tons of jewelry etc.

Cite, because the Internet is saying you are wrong.

Are you seriously arguing with a long time police officer about the law? In FQ?

I’ve done the research on this and you are not correct.

Simply disobeying the sign in and of itself is not an arrestable offense in Nevada.
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They can only tell you to leave. If you don’t leave then you have committed an infraction of the law.

Right, if it is open to the public, they have to ask you to leave first. Mind you, they can then bar you, and then if you come back, you might be arrested.

Disney World/Land, state fairs, and other amusement places have security at the front gate and they see hundreds of thousands of guests enter every single day. They don’t make people remove all their jewelry and belts.

Don’t know about now but forty years ago in Nevada, with one exception, a casino had to keep enough cash in the vault to cover their biggest payout. This was back when slot machines had relatively small payouts and one reason for table limits (the other being anti-Martingale systems). The exception was keno which with a multi-dollar bet could reach well into five figure payouts. This is why in small type your keno ticket had $50,000 maximum aggregate payout.

Hardly anybody knew what this meant but it limited the payout to $50,000 per game. If you played a $5 10-spot and hit all ten – a $50,000 winner – but the guy ahead of you in line hit a 6-spot ($1,200) all you’re getting is $48,800.

When I was living in Carson City the Ormsby House was circling the drain and one Friday evening they did not have enough cash on hand to pay a keno payout. They made good on Monday morning but got in big trouble from Nevada Gaming anyway.

The one exception were Wide Area Progressive slot machines like Megabucks or Quartermania. These were machines linked together all through the state and their payments could exceed a millions dollars. They weren’t owned by the casinos but the club got a percentage of the play in return for putting one on its floor. When one of those hit a representative from the owning company would come out to verify the win and give the winner a check.

Don’t know but given the Ormsby House incident above, I don’t think so.

I know that at my local race book, which also has ~100 slot machines, security looks like it’s not there at all. Which is, I suppose, how it should look. Slot machines hold little to no interest for me, but I’m there often enough for horse racing, so I know the place well.

Discreetly-placed cameras in the high ceiling, a back room taping everything in sight, a few security guards who can break up any fights and challenge young-looking people for ID. Local police are on speed dial from the security desk, and so on. If it’s your first visit, you wouldn’t be aware of security at all, except maybe getting carded for ID. Go there as often as I do, and it becomes apparent, but only after you look really hard.

The slot machines have paid out in the five figures from time to time, and while the place can hand over cash for such wins if you like, it would rather cut you a cheque. Safety reasons, of course.

As for horse racing, such huge wins are rare, but they do happen, generally for trifecta and superfecta bettors. I know one of the parimutuel tellers, and I once asked him what he’d do if someone tried to cash a winning superfecta ticket for $15,000. “Well, I couldn’t cash that with my float at the window, but I could make a call to the main cage and get the cash brought over. But first, I’d recommend accepting a cheque for that amount, rather than cash. Safety reasons, you know.”

So at least at my local race book, they’d rather not have big winners walk around with huge amounts of cash.

As I remember, though, Disney does have guests go through a security screening.