friedo, you’re right… Loach, I was a bit pissed when I wrote that, sorry.
And I’m trying to say, seriously, for the last time, I’m angry that they’ll allow one person to stay but not the other just because they’re more friends with him.
I’ve already talked to my roommates so the issue is done. Thanks all for your help. I’ll reply to anything if anyone wants to e-mail me about it, but again, PLEASE don’t let thread I start go to the pit.
Already talked to your housemates and said what? Are both of those pieces of shit banned from your house now or what?
There’s nothing wrong with knowing someone who is racist, as we don’t generally have a whole lot of control over who we happen to meet through various channels. Knowing someone, however, is a far cry from choosing to be friends with him, and imho there’s a whole lot wrong with choosing to be friends with someone you know to be a nazi. Offering someone your friendship and opening your home to them is giving them your tacit approval, telling them that their beliefs are legitimate ways to think about the world. IMO, the idea that people of other races/religions ought to be exterminated is the polar opposite of a legitimate way to think about the world. It’s not even in the same universe as a legitimate worldview, and I would not tolerate people who held such ideas in my home.
That’s not the real issue here, however. Your roommates’ concerns about the reputation your house is getting isn’t the real issue either, nor is their hypocrisy in keeping him around while wanting her out. The real issue is that the people you live with don’t want her in their home for whatever reason. Maybe they think she’s a skank, maybe she’s got an annoying laugh, maybe they want it to just be guys so they can wander around in their underpants, god knows. It doesn’t matter why, really. The mere fact that they consider her unwelcome ought to be enough for you to find somewhere else to associate with her.
Okay, but that doesn’t have any relevance to why they want HER to leave because she’s a Nazi and not him. There has to be something else. Or there’s nothing else and your roommates are hypocrites.
If they don’t want her to come over because they don’t know her very well, that doesn’t make sense either. Who cares if they don’t know her? That’s why “coming over” exists – to get to know other people better.
So either your roommates are really weird or there’s something else going on.
Is this girl more “militant” about her Nazism? Not when she’s there but on her own. Maybe they feel she’s more “known” as a Nazi and the tattooed guy isn’t so they don’t mind his being there?
If not, then I repeat, your roommates are hypocrites to not want that sweet-appearing girl around, even if she is putrid inside. They could at least want all putrid people to stay away.
I saw the title and thought that the easy solution to a small roommate would be to have them live an a cupboard. It worked for Disney 
Assholes and political opinions, everybody is entitled to have one…as a matter of fact, nature rather requires an asshole, and the US constitution mandates that you are entitled to whatever truely crackpotted political/racial/social belief you want to espouse - provided you follow the laws of the country and state.
Just like you can’t prevent people from having gay rights parades, anti-abortion parades, illinois nazi parades and the democratic AND republican conventions PROVIDED you dot the legal Is and cross teh legal Ts about permits and other organizational-fu. If you are not in the US, YMMV according to your country’s particular laws.
This problem doesn’t exist because the premise is impossible.
There are no nice Nazi’s. There are also no organized anarchists, caring sociopaths, or attractive lilac sweatsuits, and I doubt the existence of vegan butchers, compassionate hard-core conservatives, or reasonable liberals, but I digress .
Just out of curiosity, in this “diverse” group of friends, are there any Jewish people? Black people? People involved in mixed-race relationships?
I just wonder because I simply can’t imagine your Jewish friends hanging out and having a few beers with a Nazi. Of course, I can’t imagine anyone doing so unless they are a sympathizer, but maybe I’m just shallow.
If I found out a friend of mine was a Nazi, that friendship would immediately be over.
I wouldn’t want you bringing your Nazi friends home with you either, no matter how nice they seem to be. As far as I am concerned, by definition, they’re not. I only hope they’re just trying this one out in college, but the fact that they’re even willing to…nope. No Nazis. Sorry. Ya see, I am a decent human being. And my dad’s family is Jewish.
Are they Nazis or skinheads?
There is a difference, after all.
[sub]Must be more like Giraffe… must be more like Giraffe… nope can’t do it[/sub]
Clayton … your willingness to be eclectic and non-judgmental in your personal relationships is admirable on one level, but on another, in this scenario, speaks to a fundamental intellectual cowardice in not being able to draw an ethical line in the sand when it comes to tolerating and associating with perspectives that are antithetical to the tolerance you espouse.
Re Nazism most college “Nazis” wouldn’t know who Hermann Goring is if he smacked them on the ass with a riding crop. US Nazis are all about white power. white supremacy, and white separatism pure and simple. Scratch the surface and underneath it’s not about national socialism, it’s all about the coons and the kikes destroying “white values”.
I don’t care polite, quiet, reserved and “cool” they are, which seems to be the primary metric you score on. The beliefs they hold enable racism and intolerance to flourish. They will teach it to their children and the cycle will begin all over again. These are evil and dangerous people. Letting them think they can be accepted intellectually as part of a rainbow of philospohical diversity may make you feel Iike the benevolent king of the free thinkers, but you are being extraordinarily foolish.
Well, it seems simple to me. It’s two against one in favor of not having the Nazi girl over. I wish my roomates and I could have voted in favor of having a certain creepy boyfriend out back in the day.
It doesn’t make sense that they aren’t making the big, tatooed guy unwelcome to but whatever. Life isn’t always fair. It sure wasn’t fair for a few million Jews I can think of.
Things are now fine, they are both able to be here.
Now to answer questions:
jsgoddess, Yes, we know and hang out with Jewish people. There has never been an argument or insult from either side on it. They’re actually pretty good friends. Go figure.
Polycarp, yes… I must’ve mentioned that I go to PSU, why? (you can e-mail me the answer, I’m (again) asking that this be closed because the situation is done, I should probably e-mail someone on that, I know they’re busy…)
CrazyCatLady, there were no other reasons for them asking her to leave. I would’ve either known or noticed that something else was up.
Ok, thank you all. If anyone else has a comment or question could you please e-mail it to me cs302bSPAMSUCKS@gmail.com (-spamsucks) so I can let this thread end.
Hm… Just realized after reading that again that my wording of it may be taken as if I were a Nazi. Again, I’m not.
Ok, thanks all.
I’ve said my piece so I won’t say anymore. I was going to do a Pit thread but I decided to just let it die. Maybe someone else will.A piece of advice, if you want to close the thread you might want to contact a Mod directly. Unless it is an obvious trainwreck they might not see it in time to stop the thread when you want.
I read through the thread and realized that I didn’t word something right: even though I asked to have this thread closed. (enter key gone again… sorry)
I do not mean that I agree with their personal beliefs, I was trying to say I agree with their RIGHT to have those opinions. This is a touchy subjejct for most. Sorry. I've apparently made an ass of myself, sorry, but I had to mention that last thing. Sorry all for causing any problem.Well, they have the right to their opinions, but that doesn’t mean they’d have a right to be in my home with said opinions. My tolerance has its limits, and Nazis are definitely one of them. Does this make sense? I know what you’re trying to do, but I think you’re missing the mark. I can tolerate people having Nazi opinions in society, since most people are going to think they’re idiots anyway, but I don’t have to invite them inside my home either.
So what you’re saying is that you can be friends with a Nazi, just as long as they’re a nice nazi? And a nazi who keeps it hidden is better than one who makes it obvious?
Well if you want to put aside my reckoning that we may have got the perfect definition of an oxymoron here, I guess you really do have a problem. But with a straightforward solution;
Get rid of the nazi friends or get rid of your roommates. Who is more important to you? Your roommates have every right to object to whoever they may find hanging out in their home, no matter how unreasonable you think they may be being. So if you can’t see to eye to eye on that, then you can’t be roommates.
And once you’ve done that you can maybe think about how “being a nazi” is a matter that involves just a little more than personal political beliefs you can keep to yourself. Personally, it sounds to me that these ‘nice nazis’ are being pretty inconsistant about the whole nazi thing. Part Time, recreational Nazis who don’t let things stop them having Jewish and gay friends. Curiously, I find this more offensive and idiotic than being a proper Nazi.
Futile Gesture, please read the thread. my roommates were fine with one of them but not the other. That was the reason I had a problem. Now they are fine with both of them.
This thread was not started to debate who I should be friends with, rather it was started because of a seemingly unfair request from my roommates. I’ll be friends with anyone I damn well please. Judge me on that if you’d like, but I know my beliefs and they are not the same as theirs.
NOW FINALLY, thanks all, I was able to take some advice from this thread and the situation was delt with so that everyone was happy with the end result.
I just e-mailed a mod, should be closed soon. E-mail me anything else you’d like to say and I’ll respond asap.