Smallpox vaccination question

I’ve read that Jenner got the idea for the smallpox vaccine from noticing that milkmaids, who often had cowpox, a similar illness, rarely or never got smallpox. So cowpox conferred immunity to smallpox. Okay, did it work the other way around? Would people who were vaccinated against smallpox get cowpox? I mean, I’ve heard of chicken pox, but except in history books that were talking about Jenner, I’ve never heard of people getting cowpox.

(And yes, I know that other parts of the world inoculated against smallpox before Jenner was even born.)

The smallpox vaccine IS the cowpox virus. Really, it’s a live-virus vaccine. OK, there’s some dispute that the modern vaccinia virus used to in the current smallpox vaccine is exactly the cowpox virus or just a very close cousin, but in Jenner’s day it was definitely the cowpox virus.

So, to answer your question - people who are vaccinated against smallpox are deliberately given the cowpox virus and thus, presumably, become immune to that one as well. Which might be why you don’t hear about people getting cowpox, since for a couple generations everyone got that as a vaccination.

As an aside, that’s the origin of the word “vaccination”. It basically means “cowifying”.

This is exactly my favourite kind of information to know!

It makes you cowazoid.

So does this mean a vegan will not have the smallpox vaccination?

Not really an issue anymore.

The vaccine has been contra indicated for many years now!

Actually, the Jenner cowpox vaccine was replaced with a “vaccine” (quotes because the term meant specifically cowpox inoculation at the time) with a smallpox “variolate.” Instead of being vaccinated, people got “variolated.” “Variola” was the name for smallpox. This happened after the microscope and the germ theory, and the discovery that there was a Variola major, which had something like a 90% death rate (at the time, but it was still very high in the 1960s, when the last cases occurred), and a Variola minor, with a death rate of something like 40%. Each conferred immunity for the other, and each was acquired “in the wild” as a respiratory disease. However, as a skin infection, the disease nearly always remained localized as a small rash, but the person who was variolated still ended up with whole-body immunity. It seemed to be better (a higher success rate) than vaccination, and it was hoped would combat the perception that giving people a cow disease would turn them into cows, an actual, genuine fear in the days of vaccination. So people were given a skin infection with V. minor. A few people developed serious skin infections, and some people managed to transfer the infection to their eyes, while a very few people still developed actual V. minor (very rare, though, and it’s always possible they were coincidentally exposed right before variolation).

By the 20th century, an inactivated V. minor “vaccine” was used. By this time, the word “vaccine” meant any inactive, or otherwise introduced (eg, skin vs. respiratory) infectious agent done so with the purpose of stimulating antibodies without causing disease.

It still occasionally caused skin problems, and people with compromised skin, like people with eczema, couldn’t be vaccinated for smallpox.

Probably the most important thing to know about the smallpox vaccine, though, is that is had over 200 proteins. All the vaccinations children receive put together do not have close to 200 proteins, and that is what matters when asking what the immune systems “deals with.” It’s not the number of shots, or the number of diseases, it’s the number of proteins. Back when we (and I was one) got the smallpox vaccine, our infant systems dealt with it just fine. There’s no problem with the number of vaccines kids get now. I wish there were more. I wish there were a strep vaccine. I wish there were a good, safe TB vaccine. I wish there were an Epstein-Barr vaccine (yes, I know there is a post-infection approach, but that’s not what I’m talking about), since this virus has been associated with leukemia. I wish there were an HIV vaccine (unfortunately, if there ever is, it will probably be seasonal, like the flu, because HIV mutates so quickly, and has zoological forms, so it could be reintroduced at some point, albeit, not as easily as the flu).

I know you are kidding, but here’s a serious answer:

Some vaccines are cultured in eggs or gelatin. We are vegetarians (not vegans), but we don’t refuse the gelatin vaccines, and we don’t refuse the vaccines that were developed using fetal or new born chicks, even though they were killed to develop the vaccines. We don’t refuse vaccines that were developed using cells cultured from a voluntary abortion in Sweden in the early 1960s (aka “Hayflick cells”).

I don’t know a vegetarian or vegan who refuses vaccines based on eggs or gelatin, unless they are already into a lot of woo, and the media are just part of a list of their vaccine objections.

FWIW, we don’t refuse any prescribed medicine that has gelatin as an ingredient; my husband and I disagree over OTC meds. I take a few OTC meds that contain gelatin; my husband doesn’t if there is any alternative (in my case, I try the alternative, but if it doesn’t work as well, I resign myself to the gelatin).

Also, FWIW, medicine does not have to be kosher. Laws of kashrut apply solely to food, not to necessary medicines prescribed by a doctor, or OTC meds recommended by a doctor.

What if you had a severe zinc deficiency, and zinc supplements gave you terrible nausea? (This happens, actually) Would you eat oysters to correct the deficiency (they’re extremely high in easily-digested zinc)?

For that matter, even for food, the laws of kashrut can and must be suspended, if doing so is necessary for the saving of life.

And the OP’s question remains: Does infection with smallpox (whether “natural” or through a weakened-virus vaccine) confer immunity to cowpox? I’d imagine that it does, but I’m not sure.