Then you don’t understand what terror is. Day-to-day inconveniences like being late don’t cause most people to experience terror. Only serious threats or risks to life and limb, or the life and limb of those close, cause most people to experience terror.
The only time I’ve ever experienced terror was while nearly drowning. Never during my entire time in the Navy, and not even when I was attacked by youths in Honduras.
BINGO! Now you seem to get it. That’s how people here feel about certain wrongs that are being committed. They feel fully capable of deciding moral wrongs for themselves and making decision to protest against unjust abuses of power. It’s just a matter of degree- where you draw the line may be different from where I do, but the philosophical concept is the same. I do not need the entire government to be unlawful to decide that some of their actions are unlawful and should be protested against.
There is no contradiction. I do not believe those governments are legitimate. They believe otherwise. They’re not going to change their belief because of me, because my beliefs are not the center of the universe.
In post #1279, I lay out a post in which you said that soldiers, not tourists, in Nazi Germany, must take part in genocide.
What you’re saying now contradicts what you said then.
Was it right or wrong for Nazi soldiers to take actions that opposed genocide? Would it be right or wrong for a citizen in a country with slavery to help slaves escape in violation of the law?
Have you ever been homeless? I have. I don’t want to ever be in that situation again.
If that’s the case, then you should plan better. If this truly causes you “terror”, that is.
Try leaving 20 minutes earlier and/or checking traffic reports. Problem solved. We’ve finally won the War on Terror!
Here Smapti says it is wrong for a slave to try and escape from, or otherwise disobey, their master:
In the opinion of the German government, it was wrong. In my opinion, it was right. Guess whose opinion was of greater importance to the average German soldier?
In the opinion of the laws of the nation of Hypothetica, it would be wrong. In my opinion, it would be right. Guess whose opinion would be of greater importance to the average Hypothetican?
I do these things. They do me little good when a band of terrorists block the road because they want an innocent man 3,000 miles away to be lynched for an imaginary crime.
That doesn’t make your terror (if your feeling on being late truly is terror, which I find highly doubtful) legitimate.
In this post, you say that it would be wrong without qualification. You even go on to say that you don’t like the fact that it’s wrong, but you don’t say anything about it being wrong according to the state, while right in your opinion.
Your views can’t stop changing.
If being late starts a cascade of events that ultimately leads to you being homeless, I don’t think we can lay it all on the feet of the protesters. Here’s hoping there is never an unexpected accident that stops traffic either.
It cracks me up if it wan’t so pathetic. My parents are Holocaust survivors. They spent years absolutely terrified of losing life and limb by their own government, neighbors and German invaders. They were terrorized into submission (my mother nursed a broken arm without treatment because had she complained she feared being killed) and watched family and friends murdered all around her, but according to you that wasn’t “Terrorism”.
But being late due to some traffic disruption is.
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I do not like that this is the case, and that is why I oppose slavery; I do not like that this is the case, and that is why I oppose slavery; however, the fact that the law is the law does not changed merely based on my wishing the law were otherwise
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Ahem.
This would be a slick way of trying to have it both ways, if you were trying it in front of an audience too dumb to see through the obvious evasion.
So? That’s not their problem. You figure out how to get to work - it’s nobody’s problem but yours and your employer’s. And if your boss is such an asshole that they would effectively render you homeless for being caught in the midst of a societal disruption, then get a different job.
Besides, I don’t believe you. People who are truly in a state of terror would not be so blasé about stumbling upon or remaining in a terrorizing situation.
The fact that I don’t believe the government of North Korea to be legitimate is not going to stop the government of North Korea from acting like it is. Do you disagree?
Huh? This is incoherent, and there is no link to click.
Of course not- when did that become the standard we’re talking about? If you lived in North Korea and enough people fought back, then change might occur. However, we are talking about effecting change through civil disobedience here- a long-valued and effective means of promoting social change from the Boston Tea Party to today.
Smapti says it would be wrong for a slave to disobey his master if slavery were legal. Then, later, he says (in his opinion, for maybe the first time!) that it would be morally right to help a slave escape.
Only now does he distinguish right and wrong between government and his opinion.
Here, Smapti says he can’t make a decision about whether it’s morally right or wrong for a slave to try and escape without knowing the government’s view.
Now he actually gives his own opinion.
Can you answer the question now? Is it morally right or wrong for a slave to try and escape from their master?