Did you just complain about there not being a link to click… and then provide the link two posts later?
This was your quote:
“I do not like that this is the case, and that is why I oppose slavery; I do not like that this is the case, and that is why I oppose slavery; however, the fact that the law is the law does not changed merely based on my wishing the law were otherwise”.
There was a cut and paste error, or something (the same phrase repeated), and no link. Further, the actual correct post didn’t dispute my point. You said it was wrong, and you said that you “did not like that this is the case”, but you said nothing indicating you personally thought it was wrong until now.
Again, earlier you said it’s wrong for a slave to disobey their master.
How do you feel now? Is it right or wrong for a slave to try and escape?
It is legally wrong. I do not think it should be wrong; my belief does not trump the state’s.
What is your personal opinion? Is it morally right or wrong for a slave to try and escape? And if the government is illegitimate, why does their belief trump yours?
It is my personal opinion that people should not be allowed to own slaves.
I make no claims regarding what is moral, because I do not acknowledge that morality is objectively definable.
Because they have more ability to enforce their belief than I do.
You made claims here:
You wouldn’t make opinion claims about morality, then you would, then you wouldn’t again. Which is it?
You don’t even acknowledge its existence, let alone its properties.
Case in point. This is known as “might makes right”. It is an amoral proposition.
I can’t say what is right, because that would require the existence of an objective standard of morality, and there is no such thing. I can only say what I believe is right. I cannot pretend that what I believe is right is right on any basis greater than my own say-so.
If it weren’t for people who did that, then we would never ended segregation. Many more would have perished in the Holocaust. Women might still not be able to vote.
My god, what the hell is WRONG with you?
If you actually analyzed your moral code, you wouldn’t have to “pretend”. There is a whole field of study devoted to this analysis. It is known as ethics.
This is the first time you’ve even said anything about what you believe is right or wrong. Constantly changing. Not that saying “this is right” or “this is wrong” requires an objective standard… most in this thread have acknowledged the subjective nature of morality while still reiterating that one can have moral beliefs and state what is right or wrong.
But your statement that you wouldn’t help slaves escape even when the risk to yourself is nil shows the extent of your cowardice, especially since you now state that you believe that slavery is wrong.
Wow, he’s right! There is no objective standard for morality! Boy, all those so-called “deep thinkers” got nothing on him!
OK, that’s taken care of, next up: can God make a burrito he cannot eat?
Smapti?
Only if he orders it off that one truck. You know the one I mean.
I hereby nominate Smapti to be our designated Deep Thinker, given his extraordinary capacity for such rigorous thought. Our “catch phrase” for acknowledging his awesome awesomeness shall be:“Deep thinking, bro!”
I thought I remembered seeing a Smapti pitting. Good, I do not have to start one just for this classic piece of bullshit,
Not only is it an absurd digression from a digression of the thread (click the blue quote arrow to see more of his lovely droolings peppered throughout), but it is also fetid bullshit that he seems to have acquired from a dubious news source that has even apologized for their error.
It’s a stupid, loutish, ham-fisted piece of hate-filled driveling…
But aren’t both statements correct? Justice protects the individuals from the state, the state from the individuals, individuals from each other, and government officials from each other too.
The government does protect us from the mob; that’s one of its valid purposes. But Justice also protects us from the tyranny of the government: Smapti blows it when he says, “You’ve got that backwards,” because it’s true both backwards and the way it was originally phrased.
Smapti confuses security and justice. I honestly don’t think he can comprehend where the former might exist without the latter.
Well, I was more disgusted by the “mob - you know, those guys in the streets chanting for dead cops.” which turned out to be wrong, except, he heard about it so it must be true.
There really wasn’t such a mob and chant? I only heard about it on the Sean Hannity show, and I believed it, on the grounds that even Sean Hannity wouldn’t make up shit that blatantly.
Sigh… I guess he would…
I guess the time has come for us to ask the American right wing, once again, “You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”