…there are still hundreds of people being tortured at Sde Teiman. Thousands held without charge throughout detention centres in Israel, subject to beatings, humiliation and torture.
That in a single particular case that only came to light because it got anonymously leaked by the former top-lawyer who presumably was too scared to release it officially does not mean the torture regime is over.
If they can do that to an international citizen with a high profile like Thunberg just imagine what they are doing to the thousands of Palestinian detainees every single day.
In response to the treatment of Thunberg, Ben Gvir, the Minister of National Security said this:
No, they don’t hold people criminally responsible when they cross the line. Instead, they often celebrate it.
If we are going to play hypotheticals, then let’s jump back decades earlier, and I will end the occupation of the Palestinian territories and end the apartheid.
Because I’ve answered your question. What I personally would have done is irrelevant to everybody in the world except you. And it’s relevant to you because you literally have no other argument. All you’ve got is a ridiculous hypothetical that I’ve already answered.
Israel can do what they like within the constraints of the Geneva conventions and international humanitarian law.
Which she provoked and which she deserved. If she wants to be the next Rachel Corrie, then I say let her.
Ben Gvir can also kiss my ass.
Sorry, we’re saving that episode for next season. It’s 10/8. What are your orders?
I’m the one you’re trying to convince, aren’t I? And you’re unwilling to do that. Because you can’t answer the question. You’re not arguing in good faith. You don’t want Israel to coexist peacefully with the Palestinians. You want the population of Israel to link arms and march into the ocean.
Rachel Corrie was an ignorant stooge who got herself killed in the name of people who would have killed her themselves if she’d lived under the kind of society they wanted. I make a habit of flipping off her memorial in downtown Olympia every time I pass by it.
Because he’s a lunatic whose agenda is counterproductive.
Then you already have what you desire.
Then I assume you hold Hamas responsible for using hospitals as staging areas for their attempts to murder Jews.
…no, it isn’t what she wanted. What a ridiculous thing to say.
What an utterly deranged thing to do to a memorial.
But you endorse his agenda. That makes YOU a lunatic.
Israel are physically occupying half of Gaza right now. They control everything that comes into Gaza and everything that comes out. There is no right of return.
You are incorrect.
I assume you’ve got evidence for this assertion of yours?
Can we start with say…the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship Hospital? It was occupied by Israel and illegally turned into an IDF military base. Then when they left it…they demolished it.
Why did they demolish the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship Hospital?
No. Wrong. Lemkin coined the term before the Final Solution was even decided on, and very specifically his original conception didn’t even require any killing (Cite).
So you’re suggesting that she ran a blockade with a token amount of contraband because she earnestly thought it would benefit the greater good? Bullshit. Her intent was for Israel to detain her so she could cry “Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”
No, I don’t.
Because Hamas had turned it into a staging area for their attempts to murder Jews.
Shortly after the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas-led onslaught on the northwestern Negev, South Africa released a statement inferring that Israel was responsible for the massacre. The former minister of international relations, Naledi Pandor, spoke to the then-leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, reiterating South Africa’s solidarity with the Palestinians.
Shortly after that, Pandor visited Tehran. On Dec. 29, 2023, South Africa filed a formal application against Israel at the International Court of Justice…
“Curiously, in early January 2024, S.A. President Cyril Ramaphosa announced that the ANC had mysteriously managed to stabilize its finances, pay off its staggering debt, and recover from the verge of bankruptcy, without providing any specifics on how this had occurred.
“Crucially, this money appeared in the ANC’s coffers without explanation, mere days after the South African government brought its case against Israel at the ICJ,” the report notes.
Further avenues of questionable funding connected to the ANC may also be linked to Russian sources. Financial information in the ANC’s 2022-2023 political funding disclosure report shows that the party declared a total of R32 million ($6.4 million) in the third quarter as a funding boost to settle part of its multimillion-rand tax debt and fund its national conference.45 It received a donation of R15 million ($797,535) from the Batho Batho Trust, a company run by Patrice Motsepe, who is ANC President Cyril Ramaphosa’s brother-in-law and a significant ANC donor.46 It also provided R15 million in 2021.47 A second donation of R15 million was received from United Manganese of Kalahari (UMK),48 which was paid to the Johannesburg Expo Centre, the venue that hosted the ANC’s national conference.49 In Q1 2020-2021, UMK also donated R7.5 million ($398,756) to the ANC, becoming the largest single donor during that quarter.50 Overall, UMK’s R30 million ($1.5 million) in donations to the ANC over the past two years accounts for over 27 percent of the party’s disclosed funding.51 This is noteworthy because UMK, a top ANC funder, is partially owned by Viktor Vekselberg, a sanctioned Russian oligarch with close ties to Vladimir Putin. Vekselberg owned 49 percent of UMK, with the remaining shares of the mining group belonging to an ANC funding front, Chancellor House, and an ANC-linked community group.
The narrative that “Israel is committing genocide in Gaza” is a psyop perpetrated by Hamas’ backers in Qatar and Iran, and boosted by Russian propaganda farms, for the purpose of splitting the American left in 2024 and getting Donald Trump reelected so that he would stop the US government from interfering in the Ukranian genocide.
Congrats on being a stooge for Putin. This is hurting your country too, BTW. Trump thinks you’re committing “white genocide” and is inflicting unjustified sanctions on you, and you’ve helped make it possible.
…Russian propaganda hasn’t “shaped the narrative.” It isn’t demonstrably true.
People think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza because that is what the evidence overwhelmingly says. Amnesty International, HRW, the South African case at the ICJ, the UN, they all have laid out the case for genocide. They weren’t fooled by Russian propaganda.
One of your cites is Politico, which holds this editorial stance:
The reality is when it comes to propaganda, disinformation and narrative, Israel spends millions of dollars on that. But I’m not whining about Isreali propaganda. Because I’ve got facts on my side.
Support for Israel is a human duty. The people of Israel have been a role model for human civilization for 3,000 years. They have advanced the ideals of rule of law, supporting the poor as a moral obligation, equal rights and respect for all people of all nations, the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom for its own sake, mercy for those who deserve worse than what they get, opposition to those who hoard wealth and refuse to help the needy, and the pursuit of a better world in which all will be free and safe and prosperous. They have maintained these ideals despite countless attempts to exterminate them because they refused to assimilate into base societies that did not respect these values. They survived the most evil act in human history and finally achieved that which millions of Jews had prayed for every day for 2,000 years - the restoration of the people to their ancestral homeland.
You would deny them this respite. Because you are an antisemite.
Am Yisrael chai, motherfucker.
I have no idea what he says. I don’t listen to him.
You’re a delusional weirdo with no real understanding of the lessons of the Holocaust. You don’t love Israel or Judaism, any more than Trumpers love America. You love some fantastical construct in your mind with little to do with the real world.
Someday you’ll be ashamed of your complete lack of human decency when it comes to the deaths of so many thousands of children.